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rposs marriage for george

WILLIAMS George J SMITH Phoebe Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/196


GEORGE JOSEPH WILLIAMS : Age at Marriage: 21
PHOEBE SMITH Age at Marriage: 23

Marriage: 28 AUG 1865 Halesowen, Worcester,


1881 census

Long Lane The Hill, Worcester

Hannah SMITH Head W 67 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Maker
Phoebe WILLIAMS Daur M 39 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Maker
Phineas WILLIAMS Gd Son 11 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Annie WILLIAMS Gd Daur 5 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar

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poss marr two bro married two sis ?

Marriages Dec 1879
SMITH Mary Ann Kings Norton 6c 729
Williams Isaac King's N. 6c 729


poss isaac

1881 census

13 Powke Lane Rowley Regis, Stafford, England

Isaac WILLIAMS 23 Blackheath, Stafford, Blacksmith
Mary Ann WILLIAMS 20 Blackheath, Stafford,
Lucy WILLIAMS 1 Blackheath, Stafford,

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any one find an early census for hannah



Hannah SMITH Head W 67 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Maker born c 1814

poss daughters

mary ann c 1861
pheobe c 1842

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poss emma jane

WILLIAMS Emma J TROMANS Josiah 1871 Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office West Midlands 003/009/425

1881census

Waterfall Terrace Rowley Regis, Stafford,

Joseph TROMANS 34 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Chain Maker
Emma Jane TROMANS 33 Old Hill, Stafford,
Lois TROMANS 9 Old Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Samuel D. TROMANS 6 Old Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Nathan L. TROMANS 4 Old Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Fred. Hugh TROMANS 2 m Terrace Street, Stafford,


TWO DOORS DOWN

poss pheobe rebecca

WILLIAMS Phoebe R HADLEY John Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/006/373

1881 census

Waterfall Terrace Rowley Regis, Stafford

John HADLEY Head 26 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Warehouse Man
Phebe R. HADLEY 27 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Harry Major HADLEY 1 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Julia GOODSON Lodger 23 Godmanchester, Hampshire, Teacher In Elementary School


poss abigail e

WILLIAMS Abigail E ADAMS David 1889 Cradley Heath, Holy Trinity West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 19/1/237


too many mary and ann ?

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Ann Maria Williams
Christening: 14 DEC 1845 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

Phineas Williams
Maria Williams



brother

Alfred David Williams
Christening: 19 JUN 1842 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

Phineas Williams
Maria Williams

poss died

WILLIAMS Alfred D 1842 Rowley Regis West Midlands Sandwell Register Office RR/5/191

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is this alfred apart of the wiliams family ie levi or another brother

living Waterfall Terrace Rowley Regis, Stafford


Marriages Sep 1867

Foley Rebecca Bromsgrove 6c 540
Williams Alfred Lewis Bromsgrove 6c 540

1881 census

Alfred L. WILLIAMS 34 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Carpenter
Rebecca WILLIAMS 34 Dudley, Worcester,
James A. WILLIAMS 13 Old Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Emily WILLIAMS 10 Old Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Harry F. WILLIAMS 6 Old Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Alfred L. WILLIAMS 5 Old Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Harrold WILLIAMS 3 Old Hill, Stafford,
Edgar WILLIAMS 1 Old Hill, Stafford,


about 10 doors away from the others

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1871 Long Lane, The Hill, Blackheath
Benjamin Smith Head Mar 59 Rivet Maker b. Staffs., Rowley
Hannah Smith Wife Mar 57
Daniel Smith Son U 21 Rivet Maker b. Worcs., Halesowen
Benjamin Smith Son U 17 Rivet Maker b. Worcs., Halesowen
James Smith Son U 15 Rivet Maker b. Worcs., Halesowen
Hannah Smith Daur U 12 Nail Forger b. Worcs., Halesowen

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1861 Colliers Row, Hill
Benjamin Smith Head 49 Rivet Maker b. Staffs., Rowley
Hannah Smith Wife 48 Rivet Maker b. Worcs., Halesowen
William Smith Son 24 Rivet Maker b. Worcs., Halesowen
Ehud Smith Son 13 Rivet Maker b. Worcs., Halesowen
Daniel Smith Son 11 Scholar b. Worcs., Halesowen
Benjamin Smith Son 7 Scholar b. Worcs., Halesowen
James Smith Son 5 Scholar b. Worcs., Halesowen
Phoebe Smith Daur 19 Rivet Maker b. Worcs., Halesowen
Emma Smith Daur 16 Rivet Maker b. Worcs., Halesowen
Hannah Smith Daur 2 b. Worcs., Halesowen

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1851 Colliers Row, Halesowen
Benjamin Smith Head 39 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley
Hannah Smith Wife 38 Nailer b. Worcs., The Hill
Joseph Smith Son 16 Nailer b. Worcs., Cakemore
William Smith Son 14 Nailer b. Worcs., The Hill
Anne Smith Daur 12 Nailer b. Worcs., The Hill
Phoebe Smith Daur 9 Nailer b. Worcs., The Hill
John Smith Son 7 Scholar b. Worcs., The Hill
Emma Smith Daur 6 Scholar b. Worcs., The Hill
Ehud Smith Son 5 b. Worcs., The Hill
Daniel Smith Son 1 b. Worcs., The Hill

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Pete can you enter this where relevant on Connections?
cos this is good stuff linking wise

So are we saying that Phoebe and Mary ann Smith are sisters and married George and Isaac Williams 2 bros.

and is that Phoebe and Mary ann on the census with parents Benj and Hannah?

Hannah is the mother of Hannah Smith and prob Mary ann who married the bros Williams
but Mary ann is ann on census?
Do the ages scan
my head is whirling!

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this is the start of the isaac conection off the other thread will have to go through it later

1891 24 Birmingham Road, Halesowen
Isaac Williams Head 32 Blacksmith (Journeyman) Worker At Home b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Ann Williams Wife 30 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Lucy Williams Daur 11 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Nelly Williams Daur 8 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Maria Williams Daur 5 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Benjamin Williams Son 2 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

Apparently at same address:

Phoebe Williams Head Wid 44 Rivet Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Phineas Williams Son 21 B Shoe Maker (Journeyman) b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Annie Williams Daur 15 Bolt Rivet Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

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1851 Colliers Row, Halesowen
Benjamin Smith Head 39 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley
Hannah Smith Wife 38 Nailer b. Worcs., The Hill
Joseph Smith Son 16 Nailer b. Worcs., Cakemore
William Smith Son 14 Nailer b. Worcs., The Hill
Anne Smith Daur 12 Nailer b. Worcs., The Hill
Phoebe Smith Daur 9 Nailer b. Worcs., The Hill
John Smith Son 7 Scholar b. Worcs., The Hill
Emma Smith Daur 6 Scholar b. Worcs., The Hill
Ehud Smith Son 5 b. Worcs., The Hill
Daniel Smith Son 1 b. Worcs., The Hill

I think as you say Pete they are two bros Isaac and George

but again as you say the ages for Mary ann dont gel the one we need is born 1861 this one is an Ann and older than Phoebe who is b abt 1842
so might be 2 smiths that connect but not sisters
But the above does fit for Phoebes details with ma Hannah
look up will confirm for Phoebe Smith.

the look up for Isaac williams cant do as Kings norton

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smiths are on

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =443350986

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nice one big P!


gonna archive shout if you want to keep it open
so within 24 hrs etc etc.

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williams on
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =298447539