*Archive?* A mess of TAYLORS--Jo looking at

[expat66]

I decided to go back over all the work I had done so far... fill in gaps etc... then I stumbled across a 1901 census today which has completely thrown me and I think I may have been following the wrong TAYLORS.

Here is what I know is right:

My grandmother was Ruth Lydia MH TAYLOR(1909-1968) and known in the family as Annie

I have the 1911 census for her family
William TAYLOR(32) labourer born in Quinton
wife Hannah(30)born in Blackheath....married 10 years
son William(9) born Langley
son David(6) born Blackheath
daughter Annie(1) born Whiteheath

Her mother was Hannah HEWITT (1881-1951)... who married William TAYLOR ..23 Dec 1900..St. Giles, Rowley Regis... I have the marriage certficate..
Groom..William TAYLOR(22)bachelor, labourer, resident in Whiteheath, father Joseph TAYLOR(labourer)...Bride Hannah HEWITT(19)spinster, resident Blackheath..father William HEWITT(rivet maker)... witnesses Jacob TROMANS & Susan COMLEY.
I then appear to have made a few assumptions which I will list separately
Expat

[expat66]

I am happy with my "HEWITTS"... so no problems there.

The problem is with the TAYLORS

I could only find one family with the father as Joseph TAYLOR and with a son William TAYLOR.
I came up with Joseph TAYLOR(born Bromley or Brierley Hill or Pensnett?-1851) married to Ann (B1853 Birmingham)

1881 census....Brades Rd Oldbury
Joseph(29) coal miner born in Brierley Hill
wife Ann (28) born B'ham
children born in Oldbury.. Joseph(4)
William(3)
Sarah J (10months)
Mary Ann TAYLOR ( Joseph's widowed mother..born 1815 Tipton)
sister Hannah(born1860 Oldbury)

1891 census... Brades Rd, Oldbury
Joseph TAYLOR(39)miner born Pensnett
wife Ann(37) born B'ham
son Joseph(14)
son William(12)
daughter Sarah J (10)
Lizzie(8)
Maud(4)
Alfred(2) all born Oldbury
Mary Ann TAYLOR(74) mother-widow.. born Tipton

I will add the 1901 census I found today next
Thanks
Expat

[expat66]

1901 census.....71 Bath Row, Oldbury

Joseph TAYLOR(49) born Bromley.. coal miner(pikeman)
wife Ann(45) born B'ham
following children all born in Oldbury..
William(22)..single..coal miner(pikeman)
Thomas(19) coal miner(deloader)
Elizabeth(17)
Maud May(14)
Charles John(8)
Annie(7)
Clara(1)

This looks like the same family as the one I found on the 1881 and 1891 census but the William here is single.... and my William was married in Dec 1900.
The occupation is also different... my William was a labourer... as was his father Joseph
Also.... on the 1911 census my William lists his place of birth as Quinton not Oldbury.

I think I was looking at the wrong family?..... can anyone see any other families where the father is Joseph TAYLOR and there is a son William born around 1879 in Quinton?

Please help.... my brain is 'fried'
Thanks
Expat

[expat66]

Oh... forgot to mention... I don't have a birth certificate for William... there are so many William TAYLORS I just didn't know where to start!
Expat

[linell]

I don't think you can solve this without a birth certificate Ex Pat, I just had a similar scenario and had to order a birth certificate. William could be illegitimate and has made up father Joseph HTH from Linell.

[kdw]

This could be William in 1901
19 Spring Street Oldbury
William Taylor Head M 23 Brewers Labourer Born Langley
Anne Taylor Wife 22 Born Oldbury

[expat66]

Got a horrible feeling I now have a dead end with my Taylors!.... may have to rub out some of my tree (aargh!)

Thanks for finding that 1901 census kdw....is Oldbury the same as Quinton ?( sorry my local geography is not great)
Also.. I found from my known records that his wife was from Blackheath...would that be the same as Langley(on this 1901 census)?

Linell ... hadn't thought of him making up his father's name.... I suppose that is possible.... don't know how I would narrow down which birth certificate to get.... so many William Taylors

Thank you both for your input
Expat

[linell]

HI expat, if there is no sign of him on the Census, and the one you did find with father Joseph does not fit, I suppose you need to find a Wm who is with a single mother or living with grandparents, unless his mother married after his birth and he has another surname, who were the witnesses to his marriage, have I missed that? Oldbury is incorporated with Langley, Ridgeacre is south of Quinton and Cakemore is south of Ridgeacre, that area is very complicated, it is where the Staffs and Worcs border meets, you really need that map! There is a link to some on line maps, think NL has it? Linell.

[expat66]

HI expat, if there is no sign of him on the Census, and the one you did find with father Joseph does not fit, I suppose you need to find a Wm who is with a single mother or living with grandparents, unless his mother married after his birth and he has another surname, who were the witnesses to his marriage, have I missed that? Oldbury is incorporated with Langley, Ridgeacre is south of Quinton and Cakemore is south of Ridgeacre, that area is very complicated, it is where the Staffs and Worcs border meets, you really need that map! There is a link to some on line maps, think NL has it? Linell.

Linell.... here is the marriage info... witnesses are Jacob TROMANS and Susan COMLEY

Groom..William TAYLOR(22)bachelor, labourer, resident in Whiteheath, father Joseph TAYLOR(labourer)...Bride Hannah HEWITT(19)spinster, resident Blackheath..father William HEWITT(rivet maker)... witnesses Jacob TROMANS & Susan COMLEY.

Anyone recognise those witnesses?
Expat

The geography sounds like a bit of a nightmare!

[cid]

any help?

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1904

TROMANS Jacob HEWITT Florence Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/10/252

[cid]

Here's Jacob and Florence in 1911

7 Central Drive, Shirebrook, Near Mansfield

TROMANS, Jacob Head Married 6 years M 32 1879 Colliery Labourer Above Ground Stafford Rowley Regis
TROMANS, Florence Wife Married 6 years F 28 1883 Stafford Rowley Regis
TROMANS, Annie Daughter F 3 1908 Stafford Rowley Regis
TROMANS, Herbert Son M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Derby Shirebrook
WOODHOUSE, John Boarder Married M 56 1855 Colliery Blacksmith Striker Worcestershire Netherton

[Maths girl]

Is this the witness?
1901 35, Whiteheath, Rowley Regis
COMLEY, Hilary Head Married M 46 1855 Boat Steerer For Colliery Co Tirley Staffordshire
COMLEY, Harriet Wife Married F 44 1857 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
COMLEY, George Henry Son Single M 25 1876 Labourer In Brick Works Langley Worcestershire
COMLEY, Susan Elizabeth Daughter Single F 19 1882 General Servant (Domestic) Rowley Regis Staffordshire
COMLEY, Joseph William Son Single M 12 1889 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
COMLEY, Alfred Thomas Son M 10 1891 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
COMLEY, Earnest Frederick Son M 8 1893 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
COMLEY, Alice Daughter F 3 1898 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
COMLEY, Albert Victor Son M 0 (9 MOS) 1901 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
GLAZE, John William Boarder Single M 17 1884 Coal Miner (Hewer) Rowley Regis Staffordshire

[expat66]

any help?

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1904

TROMANS Jacob HEWITT Florence Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/10/252

Interesting.... wonder if Florence HEWITT is related to my Hannah HEWITT?.... I don't have a Florence in my tree as yet.
Expat

[expat66]

Started looking at TROMANS..... wow what alot of them!

Found possible Jacob on 1881 and 1891 census with father William TROMANS ... mother Elizabeth and assorted siblings...and there are several TAYLORS living nearby.... I guess all these families knew each other.

looks like a whole new 'can of worms'.... my brain can't absorb anymore of this today!

Going to spend the rest of the evening watching rerun of Royal wedding with bottle of bubbly
Cheers to William and Kate
Expat

[linell]

In 1881 you have Jacob Tromans at 87 The Village RR

Willm. TROMANS Head M Male 60 Dudley, Worcester, England Coal Miner
Elizabeth TROMANS Wife M Female 41 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England
Thomas TROMANS Son U Male 17 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England Stone Breaker
Abraham TROMANS Son U Male 11 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England Scholar
Isaac TROMANS Son Male 10 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England Scholar
Sarah Ann TROMANS Daur U Female 6 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England Scholar
Jacob TROMANS Son Male 2 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England

Sarah Taylor HD Widow 71 born RR at 86 The Village - same household
James TAYLOR Head M Male 29 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England General Labourer
Annie TAYLOR Wife M Female 27 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England Nail Maker
Sarah TAYLOR Daur U Female 3 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England

Can anyone find James and Annie Taylor in 1891, and have a look for a William, born about 1881, there must be a connection here somewhere

Linell.