Joseph Dawes & Patience Spencer - Black country

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1881 Colley Gate, Cradley, Worcester


Edward SPENCER 56 Birmingham Chain Maker
Mira E. SPENCER 55 Cradley Overend
William SPENCER Son 22 Colley Gate Chain Maker
Emily SPENCER Gran Daur 13 Colley Gate Milk Girl
Alfred A. SPENCER Son 9 Colley Gate Scholar


one door up mira brother ?

1881 Colley Gate Cradley, Worcester

John TATE 45 Cradley Overend Puddler
Emila TATE 45 Cradley Formerly Serv
Samuel A. TATE 22 Colley Gate Puddler
Isaiah TATE 18 Colley Gate Labr Iron Works
James J. TATE 16 Colley Gate Labr Iron Works
Frank R. TATE 11 Colley Gate Scholar
John W.J. TATE 9 Colley Gate Scholar
Alfred J. TATE 6 Colley Gate Scholar
Martha E. TATE 4 Colley Gate
Emila P. TATE 2 Colley Gate

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is this thomas 1881 ?

1881; 25 Dundonald St, Barrow In Furness, Lancashire

Thomas SPENCER 50 Birmingham, Warwick, Master Mariner
Anna SPENCER 52 Cradley Heath, Stafford,
William SPENCER 19 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Foundry Labourer
Frederick SPENCER 17 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Foundry Labourer
Ann M. SPENCER 12 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Scholar
Walter SPENCER 10 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Scholar
James W. SPENCER Boarder M 26 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Foundry Labourer

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Vicars Notebook

1857 Stourbridge Road South Side
126 Spencer
Edward Chains Church Regular Pew
Eliza Maria ? Mira? No Church 5 Children
Thomas 11 Chains School
Mary Ann 8 Dec School No School
Edward 6 No School
Ellen 4 Baptised by JHT
Anne 1
Patience 71 is their daughter

patience spencer 71 ? poss granmother to edward ?

bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... cer-Family

any census on above please

She is living at 71
71
Barnesley Samuel Chains no Church Hardened
Mary Ann No Church
Oram 23 Chains no Church Church Seldom
Grandaughter Patience Spencer 12 Feb School unbaptised

What i didnt understand is that the vicars notebook says Patience is the daughter of Edward

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Census for Thomas Spencer
1841 Cradley Heath Rowley Regis
Edwrad Sperncer 15 Chain Maker
Thomas Spencer 13
Alfred Spencer 12
None born in County

1851Top of Furlong lane, Cradley
Thomas Spencer Head 23 -Chainmaker Born Birmingham
Hannah Spencer Wife 25 Chainmaker Born Rowley
Padient Spencer Daur 5 Scholar Born Cradley
John B R Spencer Son 12 Mth Born Cradley
Alfred Spencer Brother 21 Chainmaker Born Birmingham
Eliza Spencer Sister in Law 20 Nailmaker Born Cradley

1861 Furlong Lane Cradley
Thomas Spencer Head 33 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Ann Spencer Wife 35 Born Rowley Regis
John Spencer Son 11 Scholar Born Cradley
Richard Spencer Son 8 Scholar Born Cradley
Thomas Spencer Son 6 Scholar Born Cradley
Authur Spencer Son 3 Born Cradley
William Hy Spencer Son 4day Born Cradley

1871 New Street Cradley
Thomas Spencer Head 44 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Hannah Spencer Wife 44 Chain Maker Born Rowley Regis
Richard Spencer Son 17 Chain Makewr Born Cradley
Thomas Spencer Son 15 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Arthur Spencer Son 12 Chain Maker Born Cradley
William Spencer Son 10 Scholar Born Cradley
Frederick Spencer Son 6 Scholar Born Cradley
Edward Spencer Son 5 Born Cradley
Ann M Spencer Daur 2 Born Cradley
Walter Spencer Son 1 Month Born Cradley

1881; 25 Dundonald St, Barrow In Furness, Lancashire
Thomas SPENCER 50 Birmingham, Warwick, Master Mariner
Anna SPENCER 52 Cradley Heath, Stafford,
William SPENCER 19 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Foundry Labourer
Frederick SPENCER 17 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Foundry Labourer
Ann M. SPENCER 12 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Scholar
Walter SPENCER 10 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Scholar
James W. SPENCER Boarder M 26 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Foundry Labourer

1891 25 Dundonald Street Barrow in Furness Lancashire
Frederick Spencer Head 27 Steel works Labourer Born Cradley
Hannah Spencer Wife 24 Born Barrow in Furness
Hannah Spencer Daur 1 Born Barrow in Furness
Thomas Spencer Boarder 64 Steel works Labourer Born Birmingham
Hannah Spencer Boarder 65 Born Cradley
Walter Spencer Boarder 21 Auctioneers Assistant Born Cradley
Walter Spencer Boarder 5 Scholar Born Barrow in Furness

1901 25 Dundonald Street Barrow in Furness Lancashire
Walter Spencer Head 30 Auctioneers Assistant Born Cradley
Mary Ann Spencer Wife 28 Born Dudley
Lillian Spencer Daur 5 Born Barrow
Norman Spencer Son 3 Born Barrow
Hannah Spencer Mother 76 Born Rolwey
Thomas Spencer Father 75 Born Birmingham
Walter Spencer Nephew 15 Labourer Ship Yard Born Barrow

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Census for Edward Spencer
1841 Cradley Heath Rowley Regis
Edwrad Sperncer 15 Chain Maker
Thomas Spencer 13
Alfred Spencer 12
None born in County

1851 Top of Furlong Lane Cradley
Edward Spencer Head 24 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Maria E Spencer Wife 23 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Thomas Spencer Son 4 Scholar Born Cradley
Mary A Spencer Daur 2 Scholar Born Cradley
William E Spencer Son 1 MO At Home Born Cradley
Levina Homer Servant 10 Servant Born Rowley

1861 Turnpike Road Cradley
Edward Spencer Head 36 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Mirah E Spencer Wife 29 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Thos Spencer Son 14 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Mary A Spencer Daur 12 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Edward Spencer Son 10 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Ellen Spencer Daur 8 Scholar Born Cradley
Anne Spencer Daur 5 Scholar Born Cradley
Orom Spencer Son 2 Scholar Born Cradley

1871 Wind Mill Hill Cradley
Image says Spencer
Edward Space Head 46 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Myra Space Wife 44 Chain Makers Wife Born Cradley
Mary A Space Daur 22 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Edward Space Son 20 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Ann Space Daur 14 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Williman Space Son 12 Scholar Born Cradley
Maria Space Daur 9 Scholar Born Cradley
Emily Space Daur 3 Scholar Born Cradley
Obed Fellows Visitor 21 Iron Pudler Born Cradley

1881 Colley Gate Cradley
Edward Spencer Head 56 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Mira E. Spencer Wife 55 Born Overend Cradley
William Spencer Son 22 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Emily Spencer Grand Daur 13 Milk Girl Born Cradley
Alfred A. Spencer Son 9 Scholar Born Cradley

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Census for Alfred Spencer
1841 Cradley Heath Rowley Regis
Edward Sperncer 15 Chain Maker
Thomas Spencer 13
Alfred Spencer 12
None born in County

1851Top of Furlong lane, Cradley
Thomas Spencer Head 23 -Chainmaker Born Birmingham
Hannah Spencer Wife 25 Chainmaker Born Rowley
Padient Spencer Daur 5 Scholar Born Cradley
John B R Spencer Son 12 Mth Born Cradley
Alfred Spencer Brother 21 Chainmaker Born Birmingham
Eliza Spencer Sister in Law 20 Nailmaker Born Cradley

1861 Oldnal Cradley
Alfred Spencer Head 31 Chain Maker Born Halesowen
Eliza Spencer Wife 28 Born Halesowen

1871 Tan House Lane Cradley
Alfred Spencer Head 41 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Eliza Spencer Wife 38 Born Cradley
Thomas Harper Nephew 7 Scholar Born Cradley
Eliza Newth Niece 10 Scholar Born Cradley

1881 Park Row Cradley
Alfred Spencer Head 51 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Eliza Spencer Wife 47 Born Cradley
Eliza Neath Niece Unm 20 Born Cradley
Thomas H. Neath Nephew 2 mths Born Cradley

1891 Tanhouse Lane Cradley
Alfred Spencer Head 58 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Eliza Spencer Wife 58 Born Cradley
Thomas Henry Neath Nephew 10 Scholar Born Cradley

1901 Tanhouse Lane Cradley
Alfred Spencer Head 70 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Eliza Spencer Wife 68 Born Cradley
Thomas Spencer Nephew 20 Horse Driver General Labourer Born Cradley

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eliza harper father thomas according to wed cert will post later

1881 Park Row Cradley
Alfred Spencer Head 51 Chain Maker Born Birmingham
Eliza Spencer Wife 47 Born Cradley
Eliza Neath Niece Unm 20 Born Cradley
Thomas H. Neath Nephew 2 mths Born Cradley

this confirm eliza on bcc will join up

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =805141832

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look up by RF

4 April 1850, St Thomas Dudley

Alfred Spencer - 20 - B - Chainmaker - Netherton - Thomas Spencer (deceased) - Nailor
Eliza Harper - 20 - Sp - Baptists End ? - Thomas Harper - Nailor

wit Robert Hackett ? & Rhoda Harper

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1851: Jail Yard Top of Furlong Lane Cradley

Thomas Harper HD W 56 Nail Maker
Elizabeth D 21 Nail Maker
David Son 13 Chain Maker
Edward Bloomer Son In Law M 27 Nail Maker
Jemima D M 27
Farley GS 6
Sarah GD 4
Caleb GS 2
Edward GS 4 Months Belper Derby
Rhoda Harper NC U 24 Nail Maker
all others born Cradley

who is rhoda harper NC = niece ? can we find her on the 1841 census please

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poss

RHODA HARPER
Christening: 03 JUN 1827 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: BENJAMIN HARPER
Mother: MARY

siblings ?


THOMAS HARPER
Christening: 27 DEC 1840 Halesowen, Worcester,

STEPHEN HARPER
Christening: 16 OCT 1831 Halesowen, Worcester,

SOLOMON HARPER
Christening: 26 FEB 1843 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 07 MAY 1843

MATILDA HARPER
Christening: 30 DEC 1832 Halesowen, Worcester,

HENRY HARPER -
Christening: 08 MAR 1829 Halesowen, Worcester,

REBECCA HARPER
Christening: 25 JUN 1837 Halesowen, Worcester,

LUCINDA HARPER
Christening: 07 JUN 1835 Halesowen, Worcester



poss marriage ?

RHODA HARPER
JOSEPH HODGETTS
Marriage: 06 APR 1851 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

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1841 Colley Gate Halesowen
Benjamin Harper 35 Nailor
Mary Ann Harper 35
Rhoda Harper 14
Matilda Harper 8
Lucinda Harper 6
Rebecca Harper 4
Thomas Harper 10
All Born in County

1857 Vicars Notes
Tyes Lane
91 Harper
Benjamin Nailer No Church
Mary Ann Church Seldom
5 Children
Rebecca Home No Church
Thomas 17 Chains No Church
Moses 13 Nails Baptist School, Unbaptised, Baptised by JHT
Eli 10 Baptist School Unbaptised Baptised by JHT
Mary Ann 5 Sep un baptised Baptised by JHT National School

1863 Vicars Notes
Tyes Lane
108 Harper
Benjamin Nail Widower No Church
4 Children
Thomas 23 July Chain No Church
Moses 18 May Nails no Church
Eli 16 Sep Chain No church
Mary Ann 11 Sep Baptist School Wesleyan School
Brother James Harper Labourer No Church

Benjamin Here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =379799998

Matilda Here ?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... per-Family

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poss thomas

THOMAS HARPER
Christening: 15 FEB 1795 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: JOSEPH HARPER
Mother: SARAH


siblings

JOSEPH HARPER
Christening: 18 MAR 1798 Halesowen, Worcester,

SARAH HARPER
Christening: 27 SEP 1801 Halesowen, Worcester,

ELIZABETH HARPER
Christening: 20 MAY 1804 Halesowen, Worcester,

MARY ANN HARPER
Christening: 02 MAR 1806 Halesowen, Worcester

BENJN. HARPER
Christening: 26 JUN 1808 Halesowen, Worcester,

LUCY HARPER -
Christening: 26 JUN 1814 Halesowen, Worcester,





poss marriage

JOSEPH HARPER
SARAH COX
Marriage: 11 JUN 1794 Clent, Worcester


carnt find a james thats in the vicars notes ?

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1841 Colley Gate Halesowen
Benjamin Harper 35 Nailor
Mary Ann Harper 35
Rhoda Harper 14
Matilda Harper 8
Lucinda Harper 6
Rebecca Harper 4
Thomas Harper 10
All Born in County

anyone find the 51, 61 please

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Bear with me

Marriage of Benjamin Harper and Mary Ann Harper
8 Oct 1826 St Johns Halesowen
Benjamin Harper X otp bach
Mary Ann Harper X otp spin
by GS Curate
Wit: Benjamin Cox x Elizabeth Cox X

Wit Marriage
5 Jun 1825 St Johns Halesowen
Benjamin Cox X otp bach
Elizabeth Harper X otp spin
Wit: Benjamin Harper X Ann Harper X

Baptisms
15 Feb 1795
Thomas so Joseph and Sarah Harper

27 Aug 1801
Sarah doo Joseph and Sarah Harper

20 April 1804
Elizabeth do Joseph and Sarah Harper

2 March 1804
Mary Ann do Joseph and Sarah Harper

26 June 1808
Benjn so Joseph and Sarah Harper

26 June 1814
Lucy do Joseph and Sarah Harpur, Cradley Nailer

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1851 Maple Gap Lane Cradley
Benjamin Harper Head 46 Nailor Born Cradley
Mary Ann Harper Wife 45 Domestic Servant Born Cradley
Rhoda Harper Daur 23 Nailer Born Crdaley
Matilda Harper Daur 18 Nailer Born Cradley
Lucinda Harper Daur 16 Nailer Born Cradley
Rebekah Harper Daur 14 Hoyse Servant Born Crdaley
Thomas Harper Son 10 Born Cradley
Moses Harper Son 7 Born Cradley
Eli Harper Son 3 Born Cradley

1861 Tays Lane Cradley
Benjamin Harper Head Widr 56 Nailer
Thomas Harper Son 20 Nailer
Moses Harper Son 17 Nailer
Eli Harper Son 12 Nailer
Mary A Harper Daur 8 Scholar
William Southall Son in Law Boarder 30 Nailer
Matilda Southall Daur Boarder 27 Nailer
Caleb Southall Grandson Boarder 8 Scholar
Rhoda Southall Grand Daur Boarder 7 Scholar
William S Southall Grandson Boarder 5 Scholar
James Harper Brother Unm 58 Ag Lab
All Born Cradley