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COMPLETED............Sarah Payne

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Anyone interested in checking this out?

14 Aug 1842
Isacchar Allport F B Miner Upper Gornal Noah Allport Miner
Sarah Payne F S Upper Gornal John Payne Butcher
wit: William Payne, Mary Ann Payne
All X

I think this is Sarah in 1841

1841 Redhalhill, Rowley Regis
PAYNE, John M 60 1781 Staffordshire Butcher
PAYNE, Hannah F 60 1781 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Sarah F 15 1826 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Joseph M 15 1826 Staffordshire

But given ages I assumed this was Grandparents

Also have

1841 Garratt's Lane, Rowley Regis
PANE, John M 33 1808 Butcher
PANE, Elizabeth F 36 1805
PANE, James M 12 1829
PANE, Sarah F 8 1833 Staffordshire
PANE, Mary F 4 1837 Staffordshire
PANE, Eliza F 2 1839 Staffordshire

Can anyone help to link John (1781) as father of John (1808) and hence John (1808) as father of Sarah (1824)
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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1851 :

Address: Alports Dingle, Kingswinford
County: Worcestershire

ALPORT, Isiah Head Married M 30 1821 Coal Miner Kingswinford<br>Staffordshire
ALPORT, Sarah Wife Married F 28 1823 Nailor Lye<br>Worcestershire
ALPORT, Joseph Son M 3 1848 Kingswinford<br>Staffordshire

1861 census transcription details for: Halesowen Road, Rowley Regis

Address: Halesowen Road, Rowley Regis
County: Staffordshire

ALLPORT, Issachar Head Married M 34 1827 Coal Miner Dudley<br>Worcestershire
ALLPORT, Sarah Wife Married F 37 1824 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, Mary A Daughter Unmarried F 18 1843 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, Noah Son M 14 1847 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, Nancy Daughter F 10 1851 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, Issachar Son M 8 1853 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, George Son M 3 1858 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, Harry Son M 1 1860 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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kdp wrote: 1861 census transcription details for: Halesowen Road, Rowley Regis

Address: Halesowen Road, Rowley Regis
County: Staffordshire

ALLPORT, Issachar Head Married M 34 1827 Coal Miner Dudley<br>Worcestershire
ALLPORT, Sarah Wife Married F 37 1824 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, Mary A Daughter Unmarried F 18 1843 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, Noah Son M 14 1847 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, Nancy Daughter F 10 1851 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, Issachar Son M 8 1853 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, George Son M 3 1858 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire
ALLPORT, Harry Son M 1 1860 Rowley Regis<br>Staffordshire


It is this family I think that she marries into Issachar's father was also a Noah
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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hoped later ones might show a rellie to confirm 41 but no such luck :roll:

as you said couple to choose from in 41 ??
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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kdp wrote:hoped later ones might show a rellie to confirm 41 but no such luck :roll:

as you said couple to choose from in 41 ??


I was hoping that another pair of eyes would spot something I hadn't.

Has anyone got access to any baptisms that might confirm parentage?
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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A couple of trees on Ancestry have John Payne & Hannah Hackett as parents of Sarah
I think it's Sarah..

I think this is Sarah in 1841

1841 Redhalhill, Rowley Regis
PAYNE, John M 60 1781 Staffordshire Butcher
PAYNE, Hannah F 60 1781 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Sarah F 15 1826 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Joseph M 15 1826 Staffordshire


But given ages I assumed this was Grandparents

Also have

1841 Garratt's Lane, Rowley Regis
PANE, John M 33 1808 Butcher
PANE, Elizabeth F 36 1805
PANE, James M 12 1829
PANE, Sarah F 8 1833 Staffordshire
PANE, Mary F 4 1837 Staffordshire
PANE, Eliza F 2 1839 Staffordshire


This looks like the family above
1851
Redhal Hill, Rowley
John Payne 43 - Butcher - b Salop Wellington
Elizebeth Payne 46 - b Halesowen
James Payne 22
Sarah Jane Payne 18
Mary Ann Payne 14
Eliza Payne 12
Jane Mary Hewitt 17 - visitor - Dressmaker - b Dudley
others b Rowley
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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A couple of trees on Ancestry have John Payne & Hannah Hackett as parents of Sarah
I think it's Sarah..

I think this is Sarah in 1841

1841 Redhalhill, Rowley Regis
PAYNE, John M 60 1781 Staffordshire Butcher
PAYNE, Hannah F 60 1781 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Sarah F 15 1826 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Joseph M 15 1826 Staffordshire


RR PR
Burial
22 Oct 1843 Hannah Payne, Reddall Hill, 63, Decline
26 Nov 1843 John Payne, Reddall Hill, 64, Decline
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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FarSide wrote:
A couple of trees on Ancestry have John Payne & Hannah Hackett as parents of Sarah
I think it's Sarah..

I think this is Sarah in 1841

1841 Redhalhill, Rowley Regis
PAYNE, John M 60 1781 Staffordshire Butcher
PAYNE, Hannah F 60 1781 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Sarah F 15 1826 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Joseph M 15 1826 Staffordshire


RR PR
Burial
22 Oct 1843 Hannah Payne, Reddall Hill, 63, Decline
26 Nov 1843 John Payne, Reddall Hill, 64, Decline


SO the death certificates might just give some connection -- depending on who the informant was --

Any Baptisms 1808 ish for John PAyne?
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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Poss
Submitted
JOHN PAYNE
Christening: 07 APR 1811 West Bromwich, Stafford
Parents:
Father: JOHN PAYNE
Mother: HANNAH

Sibs
SARAH PAYNE (age way out)
Female Christening: 18 JUL 1813 West Bromwich, Stafford

MARY PAYNE Poss Mary from the Ezra Smith topic
Female Christening: 19 APR 1818 West Bromwich, Stafford

ANNE PAYNE
Female Christening: 12 AUG 1810 West Bromwich
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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Re: Ezra Smith-----NL to add to BCC
by rockyfowler » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:05 am

25 Feb 1838 St Thomas Dudley
Solomon SMITH O B Nailer Blackheath Parish Of Rowley Regis Father Benjamin Smith Nailer
Mary Ann PAINE O S Powke Lane Parish Of Rowley Regis Father John Paine Butcher
After Banns The Marks Of Both
Wit; George Paine X Ann Willetts X
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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FarSide wrote:Poss
Submitted
JOHN PAYNE
Christening: 07 APR 1811 West Bromwich, Stafford
Parents:
Father: JOHN PAYNE
Mother: HANNAH

Sibs
SARAH PAYNE (age way out)
Female Christening: 18 JUL 1813 West Bromwich, Stafford

MARY PAYNE Poss Mary from the Ezra Smith topic
Female Christening: 19 APR 1818 West Bromwich, Stafford

ANNE PAYNE
Female Christening: 12 AUG 1810 West Bromwich


those bapts are submitted but if they were checked and he is a butcher
then it could be our Mary payne
although she is a Mary ann on marriage
but mary on census
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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25 Feb 1838 St Thomas Dudley
Solomon SMITH O B Nailer Blackheath Parish Of Rowley Regis Father Benjamin Smith Nailer
Mary Ann PAINE O S Powke Lane Parish Of Rowley Regis Father John Paine Butcher
After Banns The Marks Of Both
Wit; George Paine X Ann Willetts X

Possible wit marriage
IGI Extracted
GEORGE PANE
Marriages:
Spouse: HANNAH WILLETTS
Marriage: 13 SEP 1840 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

Next door to Solomon and Mary in 1841
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824

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13 Sep 1840 St Thomas Dudley
George PANE O B Blacksmith Old Hill Parish Of Rowley Regis Father John Pane Butcher
Hannah WILLETTS O S Club Building Rowley Regis Father Samuel Willetts Nailer
After Banns The Marks Of Both
Wit; Sarah Jane Clews X Joseph Shaw ,Jun`
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824------------NL to add to BCC

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Can someone look at the 1851 pls and let me know the relationships for them

1851
Redhal Hill, Rowley
John Payne 43 - Butcher - b Salop Wellington
Elizebeth Payne 46 - b Halesowen
James Payne 22
Sarah Jane Payne 18
Mary Ann Payne 14
Eliza Payne 12
Jane Mary Hewitt 17 - visitor - Dressmaker - b Dudley
others b Rowley

I have connected up Mary Ann Payne that marries Solomon as dau of this JOhn

is this the 1851 or 1841

bit confused
as Sarah is b 1824
and Mary ann 1818 and that lot above dont gel
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Re: Sarah Payne b 1824------------NL to add to BCC

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So that one I posted above is another family

this is ours

1841 Redhalhill, Rowley Regis
PAYNE, John M 60 1781 Staffordshire Butcher
PAYNE, Hannah F 60 1781 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Sarah F 15 1826 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Joseph M 15 1826 Staffordshire
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