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Re: Mary Ann Willetts b1859

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Jimmy wrote:1871. Causeway, Blackheath, Rowley Regis.
Joseph Willetts 53. Nailmaker.
Sarah Willetts 49.
William Willetts 20. Son.
Mary A Willetts 21. Dau-in-law.
Eliza Willetts 9 Months. Grand dau.
Sarah Willetts 17. Sister.
Mary A Willetts 12. Sister.

All born Rowley Regis.


If Mary was a daughter of Hannah that fits with her being a sister to Joseph in 1871, born 40 years apart, step sister. :?:
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Northern Lass wrote:Dont get this one at all

no father on certif for Mary ann
cheers RF for look up

31 Oct 1880 St Thomas Dudley
Joseph Ryder 23 bach Puddler Dudley David Ryder Puddler
Mary Ann Willetts 21 spinster Dudley no father on certif
Joseph signed X of mary ann
banns
wit - X Joseph Nock and X Sarah Knowles

think somehow she links to Jemima Willetts
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =492448301



sarah knowles is the daughter of jemimia willetts

20 Pear Tree Lane, Rowley Regis, Stafford

Joseph KNOWLES 51 Dudley, Worcester, Lab
Jemmima KNOWLES 50 Dudley, Worcester, Nail Maker
Mary J. KNOWLES 19 Dudley, Worcester, Nail Maker
Sarah KNOWLES 21 Dudley, Worcester, Nail Maker
Henry KNOWLES 17 Dudley, Worcester, Lab
Eliza KNOWLES 14 Dudley, Worcester, Nail Worker
Ellen KNOWLES 12 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar
Hannah KNOWLES 8 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar
Arthur KNOWLES 5 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar



other witness this is the second time these families have been connected by being witnesses at a marriage ?

1881: 26 Pear Tree Lane, Rowley Regis, Stafford

Joseph NOCK 43 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Coal Miner
Hannah NOCK 42 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Joseph NOCK 20 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Coal Miner
Eliza J. NOCK 17 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
George NOCK 15 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Coal Miner
Jemima NOCK 12 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Staple Maker
Samuel NOCK 6 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
John NOCK 3 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
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wonder if this is another connection ?

NOCK Jemima WILLETTS John 1888 Rowley Regis, St Giles West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 18/7/152

is this the two withnesses ?

NOCK Joseph KNOWLES Sarah 1882 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/037/55
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Re: Mary Ann Willetts b1859

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Ok so how does Mary Ann Willetts link to

Jemima Willetts--who marries Joseph Knowles and has Sarah Knowles witness
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

and

Hannah Willetts married to Joseph Nock and have Joseph nock poss witness
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=12791714

Jemima has father Thomas Willetts
Hannah has father George Willetts
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I think this is her

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =868764736

born before marriage and living with mother and "father" or step father in 1881

1881: 26 Pear Tree Lane, Rowley Regis, Stafford

Joseph NOCK 43 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Coal Miner
Hannah NOCK 42 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Joseph NOCK 20 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Coal Miner
Eliza J. NOCK 17 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
George NOCK 15 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Coal Miner
Jemima NOCK 12 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Staple Maker
Samuel NOCK 6 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
John NOCK 3 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar



same address

1881: 26 Pear Tree Lane, Rowley Regis, Stafford

Joseph RYDER 23 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Puddler
Mary A. RYDER 22 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
David RYDER 3 m Rowley Regis, Stafford,
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No Mary ann nock regis around that time in RR

but look

1858
WILLETTS Mary A Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/27/290

and so brother Joseph would be witness and then marries other witness
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Jimmy wrote:Long shot.
Is it possible that James Willetts died and his widow Hannah had an illigitimate child and then she died in child birth, hence no father on marriage cert.

West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1854.
WILLETTS James. Rowley Regis. Sandwell Register Office. RR/10/222.

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1858.
WILLETTS Mary A Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/27/290.

Births Jun 1858.
Willetts Mary Ann. Dudley. 6c. 134.

Deaths Jun 1858.
Willetts Hannah. Dudley. 6c. 5.

West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1858.
WILLETTS Hannah. Rowley Regis. Sandwell Register Office. RR/14/133.


Any thoughts, is this feasible.
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but why is mary ann living at same address as Jemima Willetts in 1881

couldnt it be her child pre marriage?

when is the qtr of that birth in 1858
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June Qtr, how come she is down as Josephs sister in 1871,

but, it looks like, if this is the same James, he is still alive in 1861, but I can't find him,

James Willett.
Burial Date: 23 Jul 1863.
Burial Place: Rowley Regis, Stafford.
Age: 75.
Birth Date: 1788.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01836-5.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 367784.
Reference Number: p 405 n 3238.

Hannah Willetts.
Burial Date: 14 Jun 1857.
Burial Place: Rowley Regis, Stafford.
Age: 40.
Birth Date: 1817.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B02941-7.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 367801.
Reference Number: p192 rn1529.

Hannah Willetts.
Burial Date: 28 Oct 1857.
Burial Place: Rowley Regis, Stafford.
Age: 41.
Birth Date: 1816.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B02941-7.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 367801.
Reference Number: p204 rn1628.
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But if you look for a Mary ann Nock born 1859 there isnt one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =343917627

but there is a Mary Ann Willetts

and mary ann is living in 1881 with Joseph nock and Hannah
and she has Joseph Nock "brother" as witness to marriage

what does she call her other kids any clues

I think it is hannahs dau born 1858 before marriage in 1859
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Jimmy wrote:1871. Causeway, Blackheath, Rowley Regis.
Joseph Willetts 53. Nailmaker.
Sarah Willetts 49.
William Willetts 20. Son.
Mary A Willetts 21. Dau-in-law.
Eliza Willetts 9 Months. Grand dau.
Sarah Willetts 17. Sister.
Mary A Willetts 12. Sister.

All born Rowley Regis.


1871. Peartree St, Rowley Regis.
Joseph Nock 34. Coalminer. Cradley.
Hannah Nock 32. Nailer.
Mary Ann Nock 12.
Elizabeth Nock 10.
George Nock 5.
Jemima Nock 2.
Others born Rowley Regis.

This Mary Ann Nock could be one of these,

Births Jun 1859.
WILLETTS Mary Ann Stourbridge. 6c. 157.

Births Mar 1860.
WILLETTS Mary Ann. Dudley. 6c. 169.
WILLETTS Mary Ann. Stourbridge. 6c. 195.
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But then she would be a Mary ann nock as parents married April 1859

I may need certif on this one
sent email to regis office :?
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peterd wrote:wonder if this is another connection ?

NOCK Jemima WILLETTS John 1888 Rowley Regis, St Giles West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 18/7/152

is this the two withnesses ?

NOCK Joseph KNOWLES Sarah 1882 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/037/55



look up on these would be handy
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peterd wrote:
peterd wrote:wonder if this is another connection ?

NOCK Jemima WILLETTS John 1888 Rowley Regis, St Giles West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 18/7/152

is this the two withnesses ?

NOCK Joseph KNOWLES Sarah 1882 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/037/55



look up on these would be handy


the Jemima nock one is on

the other one I havent got round to posting yet RF sent it me
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and look who are wits at marriage of Joseph nock...who I think is mary anns bro
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =302955981
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