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William Devey Brettell m Helen Elizabeth Powell Dec qtr 1850
I have 1881 census they were living with their children at Grove Rd Kings Norton. I am trying to find his dob and interested in finding out how he was given the name William Devey Brettell. I want to know if he was related to William Devey, clockmaker of Dudley who lived in the late 1700's to 1800's. Is there anyone out there who can help?

Hi dumblonde, the 1881 Census gives Wm's age as 62 born Kings Heath, and Elizabeth is age 61 born Solihull. Meant to tell you that I found a Charles Brettell who was a Trustee of Hasbury Methodist Chapel in 1923, he was also the Choir Master, presume he is one of our Brettell family? Best Wishes from linell.

Have you got the marriage for this William Devey and Helen Elizabeth?

Marriages Dec 1850 BRETTELL William Devey Kings Norton 18 595

if so do you know his fathers name?
You need to work back.

He is born abt 1819 cos of census info so a bapt could be Warwickshire
but you need that fathers name.

Then at the same time work on the William Devey ancestry
and find the common ancestor or link
Probably a marriage to a Devey going back?

Does anyone have access to1871, 1861, 1851, 1841 Census records who might be kind enough to look up William Devey Brettell born <1819> to possibly help find his parents?

Poss
1861
140
Bleak Lane, Kings Norton
William Brittle 42 - Bricklayer - b Kings Norton
Elizabeth Brittle 40 - b Yardley
Elizabeth Brittle 16 - Dressmaker - b Birmingham
Thomas Brittle 14 - b Birmingham
Sarah Brittle 12 - b Birmingham
Joseph Brittle 8
Charles Brittle 4


1871
231
Kings Heath, Grove s?
William Brittle 52 - Bricklayer
Elizabeth Brittle 52 - Laundress - b Yardley
Joseph Brittle 18 - Mecanics? Lab
Charles Brittle 15 - Mecanics? Lab
Emily Brittle 9
Robert Brittle 8
others b Kings Norton

There's this entry... not sure about it tho

1841
Mary Brest 60 - (looks like Priest) - Ind
William Brettell 20 - Forgeman
James Brettell 15
Sarah Brettell 14 - Nailor
looks like these people are living in the same house
William Bunn 20 (could also be Busson) - Forgeman
Hannah Bunn 20
Eliza Bunn 8 Mo
all b in c

1851
Court 14 and I can't make out the street properly...Marton St possibly
William Bruttle 33 - bricklayer - b Kings norton
Elizabeth Bruttle 28 - b Yardley
William Bruttle 12 - Errand boy
Mose Bruttle 9
Elizabeth Bruttle 7
Thomas Bruttle 4
Sarah Bruttle 2 Mo
all kids b Birmingham

1871
231
Kings Heath, Grove s?
William Brittle 52 - Bricklayer
Elizabeth Brittle 52 - Laundress - b Yardley
Joseph Brittle 18 - Mecanics? Lab
Charles Brittle 15 - Mecanics? Lab
Emily Brittle 9
Robert Brittle 8
others b Kings Norton

You may already have this
Extracted
EMILY JANE BRETTELL
Birth: 07 JUL 1853
Christening: 08 JUL 1855 Saint George, Birmingham
Father: WILLIAM DEVEY BRETTELL
Mother: HELEN ELIZABETH

I see on the 1861
217 Gem Street, Birmingham
Fone? Industrial Guild
Emily Brettell 7 - Scholar - born NK

there's just pages of children at this place...

You are fab Farside! What amazing detective work. Ta everso. Gem St Industrial School is interesting, just Google it - I wonder what Emily did to end up there.

Don't know what a 7 year old would do to deserve her stay there.. bet it was horrific..

I googled and found this from wikipedia...'In England the 1857 Industrial Schools Act was intended to solve problems of juvenile delinquency, by removing poor and neglected children from their home environment to a boarding school. The Act allowed magistrates to send disorderly children to a residential industrial school.'

1881.
William BRETTELL. Head M Male 62 Kings Heath, Worcester, Bricklayer.
Elizh. BRETTELL. Wife M Female 61 Solihull, Warwick, Laundress.
Charles BRETTELL. Son U Male 24 Kings Heath, Worcester, Bricklayers Labourer.
Emily BRETTELL. Dau U Female 20 Kings Heath, Worcester, Woodscrewer & Sorter (Screw).
Robert BRETTELL. Son U Male 19 Kings Heath, Worcester, Mechanical Labourer (...).

Grove Road, Kings Norton, Worcester,

FarSide wrote:
I see on the 1861
217 Gem Street, Birmingham
Fone? Industrial Guild
Emily Brettell 7 - Scholar - born NK

there's just pages of children at this place...

What a find FarSide! I think it's worth posting this link cos there are a lot of familiar names from the Black Country

.............see here

not sure where we are up to with this one?

Are we still looking for the father for William? in which case DB think it needs that marriage which is in Warks 1850...

Do you want to run with this a bit more or do you want to archive it pending more info?

So unless otherwise advised this topic will be moved to archived section within 24 hrs
it can easily be returned to the boards via sending Pete or I a pm

I have found this one, on the Hugh Wallis site. It is also on this following link,

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... enings.csv

From the above link.

1855,7,BRETTELL,Emily Jane,"Birmingham, St George",Chr,,,8/7/1855,William Devey BRETTELL & Helen Elizabeth,IGI



Extracted.
WILLIAM BRITTLE.
Christening, 16 MAY 1819, Saint Mary, Moseley By Birmingham, Worcester,
Parents:
JOSEPH BRITTLE.
SARAH.

EMMA BRETTLE.
Christening, 31 AUG 1859, Saint Mary, Moseley By Birmingham, Worcester,
Parents:
WILLIAM BRETTLE.
ELIZABETH.