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ARC Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:40 pm
by dippykitty
My grandfather, Felix Aguirre, was adopted and knew nothing of his parents. A few years ago we ordered his birth certificate, which stated that his mother was Johann Aguirre (nee Matheson) and his father Felix Juan Aguirre of Buenos Aires. He was born in London (adopted in Derbyshire) but I have found no record that could feasibly be his mother for a birth, marriage or death in the BMD records, nor does she appear to have departed the UK for Buenos Aires after the birth. I've been completely stumped on where to go on this one for years now and was just wondering whether anyone could offer some advice on whether there are other research routes I can try to locate her through?

Edited to include birth details as requested: My grandfather was born in November 1911 in St Pancras, London, according to his birth certificate. He was registered 2 weeks later but as mentioned, I can't find any trace of his mother under my own steam!

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:09 pm
by Maths girl
Some dates to put this into context would possibly help -- when was your grandfather born?

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:24 pm
by peterd
felix birth

Births Dec 1911
Aguirre Felix J A Matheson Pancras 1b 97

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:31 pm
by Maths girl
peterd wrote:felix birth

Births Dec 1911
Aguirre Felix J A Matheson Pancras 1b 97


is this poss a relation ?


Births Mar 1911
Aguirre Verancia Newport M 11a 289


is veranica (veronica ?) on the 1911 and who with ?



Marriages Dec 1903
Aguirre Benito Merthyr T. 11a 1160
Jenkins Rachel Merthyr T. 11a 1160
South Ada Merthyr T. 11a 1160

poss veranica father


Only Aguiree in Newport is
1911
Vessel: Manuel
Port/place: Victoria Wharf Newport Mon
AGUIRRE, Juan Crew Single M 16 1895 Steward

No Rachel, Ada or Benito recorded on FMP

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:32 pm
by Antie Em
1911 - 15 South Market Street, Newpoer, Monmouthshire

AGUIRRA, Guan Head Married M 29 1882 Shopkeeper Bilbao Spain
AGUIRRA, Maria Iza Wife Married
3 years F 29 1882 Bilbao Spain VIW
AGUIRRA, Tenera Son M 2 1909 Newport Mon
AGUIRRA, Venanria Son M 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Newport Mon VIEW

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:36 pm
by dippykitty
Hi,

I'm not sure that Verancia would be any relative as the birth dates are too close and my grandfather was born in London, not Newport, to a different mother going on what you've found in the census. Given that the birth certificate has my grandfather's father down as living/working in Buenos Aires, I'd always assumed that his mother came back to the UK alone.

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:36 pm
by peterd
juan in the 1911 with johanna ?

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:38 pm
by peterd
dippykitty wrote:Hi,

I'm not sure that Verancia would be any relative as the birth dates are too close and my grandfather was born in London, not Newport, to a different mother going on what you've found in the census.


were fishing for a link to other Aguiree, see if we can find one born Buenos Aires that might be a relative ?

so his father was never in the uk ?

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:39 pm
by dippykitty
peterd wrote:
dippykitty wrote:Hi,

I'm not sure that Verancia would be any relative as the birth dates are too close and my grandfather was born in London, not Newport, to a different mother going on what you've found in the census.


were fishing for a link to other Aguiree, see if we can find one born Buenos Aires that might be a relative ?


Ah I see!

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:45 pm
by peterd
so poss married in argentina ?

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:49 pm
by dippykitty
peterd wrote:so poss married in argentina ?


It would make sense as I've not been able to find even a halfway feasible record here. A contact in Buenos Aires searched the marriages over there though and said she couldn't find anything so who knows!

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:58 pm
by peterd
if felix was born in 1911 then poss here passage from argentina must be 1911 ? if jaun the father and stopped in argentina ?

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:41 am
by gardener
Does the birth certificate give an address for the birth? I wondered if search for that in the 1911 census would help?
Who registered the birth?

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:03 pm
by dippykitty
gardener wrote:Does the birth certificate give an address for the birth? I wondered if search for that in the 1911 census would help?
Who registered the birth?


46 Liverpool Street, St Pancras but there was no-one of any feasible connection living in the house in the census (or so it seemed to me!) and it appears to be some kind of boarding house that she presumably turns up at somewhere between April and November! He was registered by Johann Aguirre, who's down as his mother (that's the only reason I even have her name!).

Re: Brick wall regarding my grandfather's parentage

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:23 pm
by BC Wench
Is this still a Brickwall, or have you solved it?

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