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when do you accept that you are on the right family tree,one name on a census still gives me doughts.
grandfather William Samuel Hughes b.4/4/ 1884, 59 hatherley st linthorpe middlesbrough,father Alexander,mother Esther.
Alexander died in a drowning accident river tees oct 1884 tees valley indexes ref m-j-21-0-164.
census 1881 rg 11/4855- 59 hatherley st, Thomas A Hughes head 26 labourer/ironworks bn. neatherton
Esther Hughes 23 bn saltwell copies
Lavinia hughes dtr 2 bn saltwell copies.
this is the only record with the name thomas,when I put these facts to westmidlands bmd they sent me the birth cert:
20/6/1853 primrose hill dudley Alexander,father Samuel brickmaker,mother Clara Ann Barnsley dist of dudley county of worcester.
this links with the BCC family tree Hughes no.8 Alexander bn abt 1786,no.252 Samuel bn abt 1828 and no 10 Alexander bn 1853, also census's 1851,1861.
I have Alexanders and Esthers marriage cert,lavinia's birth cert and other census info but only the name Alexander is used all information I can give to the BCC if useful.
finally,whilst on a short camping trip to wolverley early july I went to dudley archives at coseley and met a friend "of",went through transciptions of christenings and babtisms st andrews,netherton and microfilm of st thomas's hoping to find an addition of the name Thomas,but nothing.if I am on the right family connections I notice Joseph Hacket and William Haynes ancesters Hughes Thomas 1870 & Hughes James 1875 have the same family connections.
jack.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... hes-Family


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1877
Amblecote, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 015/003/264
HUGHES Alexander BENNETT Esther

Can you please post the full details of marriage

1881 59 Hatherley Street Linthorpe Middlesborough
Thomas A. Hughes Head Mar 26 Labourer ironworks Born Neatherton (Netherton)
Esther Hughes Wife Mar 23 Born Saltwell Copices
Lavinia Hughes Daur 2 Born Saltwell Copices
William Burnett Brother Mar ? 37 Puddler Born Mount Pleasant Lane
John Smith Bro in Law Widr 27 Puddler Born Shuley Bk Bottom
Abrut Barnbrook Boarder Mar 42 Puddler Born N K

Marriages Jun 1887
Brundle John William Middlesbro' 9d 803
Hughes Esther Middlesbro' 9d 803


1891 18 Hatherley Street Linthorpe Middlesborough
John W Brandell Head M 31 Bricklayers Labourer Born Yorkshire Middlesborough
Esther Brandell Wife M 33 Born Saltwells Copies
Lavinia Hughes Daur 12 Born Saltwells Copies
Sylvia Hughes Daur 8 Scholar Born Yorkshire Middlesborough
William Hughes Son 7 Scholar Born Yorkshire Middlesborough
Annie Brandle Daur 3 Born Yorkshire Middlesborough
Joseph Oxley Lodger S 36 Moulder Fetler Born Stokesly Yorkshire
George E Biggers Lodger S 27 Steel Moulder Born Bladden on Tyne ?

1901 84 Denmark Street Middlesborough
John W Brundle Head M 41 Bricklayers Labourer Born Norton Durham
Ether Brundle Wife M 42 Born Soft Wells Staffordshire
William Hughes Step Son 16 ? Worker Born Middlesborough Yorkshire
Annie Brundell Daur 13 Born Middlesborough Yorkshire
Lilian Brundell Daur 2 Middlesborough Yorkshire
Thomas Power Boarder Widr 65 Sawyer Born Ireland
Thomas Lamb Boarder 15 Born Middlesborough Yorkshire

Marriage 8/12/01
Florence Foster Oct-Nov-Dec 1901 Stokesley Yorkshire North Riding
William Samuel Hughes Oct-Nov-Dec 1901 Stokesley Yorkshire North Riding
Children of William and Florence
Sylvia 30/5/04
Florrie 10/1/06
Alexander 16/7/07
Violet 28/8/09
William Charles James 18/8/11
Doris 1913
Ida 25/8/15
Taken from Williams World War 1 Service records
Name: William Samuel Hughes
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Age at enlistment: 31
Residence: 15 Hutchinson Street, Middlesbrough
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 22811
Number of images: 14


Possible Esther pre Marriage
1871 Birch Coppice Kingswinford
William Bennett Head Mar 57 Puddler Born Kingswinford
Selina Bennett Wife Mar 44 Charwoman Born Kingswinford
Martha Bennett Daur Unm 22 Charwoman Born KIngswinford
Esther Bennett Daur 12 Scholar Born KIngswnford
Esther J Littlewood Grand Daur 5 Scholar Born Kingswinford

1861 Saltwell Coppice Kingswinford
William Bennett Head Mar 47 Iron Pudler Born Kingswinford
Selvin Bennett Wife Mar 45 Born KIngswinford
Mary Bennett Daur Unm 23 Dressmaker Born KIngswinford
John Bennett Son Unm 20 ? Pudler Born Kingswinford
William Bennett Son Unm 16 ? Pudler Born KIngswinford
Sarah Bennett Daur 13 Nailer Born Kingswinford
Martha Bennett Daur 11 Scholar Born KIngswinford
Esther Bennett Daur 2 Born KIngswinford

1851 Mount Pleasant Kingswinford
William Bennett Head Mar 34 Pudler of Iron Born Kingswinford
Silvia Bennett Wife Mar 33 Born KIngswinford
Mary Bennett Daur 12 Scholar Born KIngswinford
John Bennett Son 10 Lifting up at Iron Works Born Kingswinford
William Bennett Son 6 Scholar Born KIngswinford
Sarah Bennett Daur 3 Born Kingswinford
Martha Bennett Daur 1 Born Kingswinford
John Bennett Father Lodger 80 Pauper Farm Labourer Born Kingswinford


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1837
Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/001/27
BENNITT William BILLINGHAM Sylvia

IGI Extracted
WILLIAM BENNITT
Marriages:
Spouse: SYLVIA BILLINGHAM
Marriage: 24 JUL 1837 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

Sylvia on BCC ?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ham-Family

Hi Lancashire Lad

Did you contact the Bcc tree? if so drop me a pm

also any of the marriage info would be useful

Deaths Dec 1884
Hughes Alexander 30 Middlesbro' 9d 384

any Billinghams near them on census?

dob for her 1818 ish on census but cant see another sylvia

this checks out

Sylvias father on marriage is James
Williams is jOhn

still need marriage at Holy trinity amblecote 1877
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=12827895

going to flag for help adding what we can of this pls

William Bennett and Sylvia billingham marriage
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =424181809

hi all,
sorry for the slow response didn't realise how quick you all responded ,computer acting up abit and got stuck watching the tour du france.
marriage of Alexander and Esther.
trinity church parish of amblecote stafford.1st july 1877.
Alexander Hughes 23 bachelor, gunsmith, res.lye waste, father Samuel Hughes, gunsnmith.
Esther Bennett 19 spinster res lye, father William Bennett, puddler.
after banns
Alexander X Hughes (presume mark of)
Esther Bennett
in the presence of us Thomas X Harris (presume mark of)
Agnes Harris.
have to go now, Eric (named after that m/c united footballer)my dog will not settle for the night untill I go to bed.will look at any other requests for info in the morning.
jack.

brill thanks Jack

hi,
marriage cert. William Hughes- Florence Foster.
8/12 /1901 register office dist of stokesley county of york.
William Samuel Hughes 21 ba, commercial traveller 22 francis st mb,father Alexander Hughes(deceased) gunmaker.
Florence Foster 18 sp. father Patrick Foster bricklayers journeymanmarried register office by licence
in the presence of C E Seaman, C Foster.

William must have been under 18 when married, he was born 4/4/1884

son Alexander b.16/7/1907 died in accident falling in river tees from transporter bridge middlesbrough.
it isstrange two ancesters named Alexander met their death in the same river many years apart,

jack

hello again,
birth certs.
reg dist. stourbridge sub -dist kingswinford stafford.
19/5/1878 saltwells coppice Lavinia,father alexander Hughes,gunsmith mother Esther Hughes fomerly Bennett saltwells coppice kingswinford reg. 18/6/1878.signed by Esther.

reg dist kingswinford stafford.
1/9/1858 saltwells kingswinford, Esther,father William Bennett,iron puddler,mother Sylvia Bennett fomerly Billingham salltwells kw reg. 8/9/1858,signed the mark of Sylvia Bennett.

marriage cert.
reg dist. barton,parish church of st mary's cadishead,county of lacaster.
28/3/1936 William Charles James Hughes 25 bach,shunter, 53 lord st cadishead,father William Samuel Hughes,traffic forman
Elizabeth Outlaw 24 sp.53 lord st cadishead,father John Robert Outlaw,labourer
after banns,inthe presence of ,Thiodore Barker,Florence Outlaw.

birth cert.
reg dist middlesbrough,sub dist,m/b west county of york.
23/6/1911 7 harrison st, u.d. Elizabeth,father John Robert Outlaw,boiler cleaner.mother Elizabeth Outlaw, fomerly Briston reg.25/7/1911,signed E Outlaw.

death cert.
reg dist,barton,sub dist eccles,lancaster.
15/2/1973 ,19 marlborough rd irlam- William Charles James Hughes date and place of birth 18 aug 1911,occ,stock control clerk(steel works inf, E hughes,reg16/2/1973.

William C J and Elizabeth Hughes are my parents, I have four brothers, one died in infancy,three sisters one died in infancy and one a few years ago. Elizabeth died in 1997,awating details.

jack.

Thanks Jack I have added some of that
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =784802331

no idea why Thomas on census mistake perhaps
all other docs you have say Alexander

do you need any more on this one?

hi,
we never found why thomas was on the 1881 census, he did of course have a younger brother called thomas.
whether he may of wished to have a different identity,who knows.
Iamkeeping my fingers crossed that its not the otherway round,that he was a thomas and added alexander.
where do you stop including ancesters, ie, born out of the area,or dates born etc.
this should now be archived.
jack