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Can we find more info on Josephs family please. Dunns have already been done

1901 Brook Street Lye
Alice Brettell Head Wid 35 White Brick Maker Born Lye
Melinda Brettell Daur 13 Born Lye
Leney Brettell Daur 9 Born Lye
Amey Brettell Daur 5 Born Lye
Metilda Dunn M in Law Wid 72 Born Lye
Edwin Dunn Brother Widower 39 Cant read Occ Born Lye
Benjamen Dunn Son 10 Born Lye

Alice here on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... unn-Family

Possible marriage for Alice

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1883
Amblecote, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 015/003/414
DUNN Alice BRETTLE Joseph

1891 Brook Street Wollescote
BRETTEL on image
Joseph Brehel Head M 25 Galveniser Zinc Born Lye
Alice Brehel Wife M 25 Born Lye
Malinda Brehel Daur 3 Born Wollescote
Ann Brehel Daur 8 Mths Born Wollescote

1881 Lye Waste
Joseph Siner Head Married 46 Anchor Smith Born Lye
Emma Siner Wife Married 42 Chain Maker Born Lye
Annie Lucindia Brettell Daur 19 Brick Mkaer Born Lye
Emma Luvinia Brettell Daur 17 Brick Maker Born Lye
Joseph Brettell Son 14 Bucket Maker Born Lye
Charles Henry Brettell Son 13 Scholar Born Lye

1871 Wordsley, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 018/005/261
BRETTELL Emma SINER Joseph

1871 Halesowen Road Lye
Emma Brettell Head W 30 Chain Maker Born Oldswinford
Annie L Brettell Daur 10 Scholar Born Lye
Emma L Brettell Daur 7 Scholar Born Lye
Joseph Brettell Son 5 Scholar Born Lye
Charles H Brettell Son 3 Scholar Born Lye

1861 Lye
Charles Brettell Head Mar 24 Mill Worker Born Cradley
Emma Brettell Wife Mar 23 Born Lye
Annie L Brettell Daur 2 MO Born Lye

Possible Mariage for Charles and Emma
1858 Stourbridge Register Office
BRETTELL Charles BILLINGHAM Emma

IS this Joseph Siner ?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ner-Family

could be...
where is he in other census
1841. Robin Hood Building, Oldswinford.
James Signor 30. Nailmaker. looks like Signor on image.
Maria Signor 30.
Joseph Signor 6.
Eliza Signor 5.
Mary Ann Signor 3.
James Signor 1.

1851 Stourbridge Road Lye
Ann Herrin Head Widow 54 Nail Maker Born Lye
Maria Seynor Daughter in Law Widow 36 Labouress Born Kinlet
Joseph Seynor Son U 15 Nailor Born Stambermill
Eliza Seynor Daur U13 Labouress Born Lye
Mary Ann Seynor Daur 10 Labouress Born Lye
James Seynor Son 8 Chain Striker Born Oldswinford
John Seynor Son 5 At Home Born Oldswinford
Thomas Seynor Son 4 At Home Born France
Samuel Seynor Son 3 At Home Born France
William Seynor Son 2 At Home Born France
Jane Seynor Daur 9 Nurse Born Oldswinford
David Hall Lodger U 33 Labourer Born Lincolnshire
Mary Lawrence Lodger Widow 72 Pauper Born Halesowen

1861 New Road Lye
Joseph Syaner Head Mar 26 Horse Nailer Born Oldswinford
Mary Syaner Wife Mar 26 Born Oldswinford
Sarah A Smith Serv 11 Born Bromsgrove

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1857
SINER Joseph SMITH Mary A Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/005/453

IGI Extracted
ANN SYNER
Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN HARRIN
Marriage: 01 FEB 1836 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

Groom's Name: Joseph Siner
Groom's Birth Date: 1836
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 35
Bride's Name: Emma Brettell
Bride's Birth Date: 1838
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 33
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1871
Marriage Place: St. Mary'S, Kingswinford, Stafford, England
Groom's Father's Name: James Siner
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: James Billingham
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Widowed
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Widowed
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:

so which church is it in 1871

St Marys Kingswinford
or Holy Trinity Wordsley

something is rining a bell when we do look ups re these 2
on later ones .....did they take place at one of them?

1881 Lye Waste
Joseph Siner Head Married 46 Anchor Smith Born Lye
Emma Siner Wife Married 42 Chain Maker Born Lye
Annie Lucindia Brettell Daur 19 Brick Mkaer Born Lye
Emma Luvinia Brettell Daur 17 Brick Maker Born Lye
Joseph Brettell Son 14 Bucket Maker Born Lye
Charles Henry Brettell Son 13 Scholar Born Lye

1871 Wordsley, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 018/005/261
BRETTELL Emma SINER Joseph

So looks good to add that lot doesnt it?

I think we need some of these marriages looked up as i think this could be Emma Billinghams father
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ham-Family

Have i got this right
James Siners 1809 parents were Joseph Sinor and Ann, Joseph must have died and Ann remarried John Herrin.
James married Maria and had Joseph 1835 he married twice first to Mary Ann Smith then to Emma Brettell nee Billingham.

Emmas first marriage was to Charles Brettell they had Joseph who married Alice Dunn

Will add these for lookups

1871 Wordsley, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 018/005/261
BRETTELL Emma SINER Joseph

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1857
SINER Joseph SMITH Mary A Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/005/453

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1883
Amblecote, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 015/003/414
DUNN Alice BRETTLE Joseph

ANN SYNER
Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN HARRIN
Marriage: 01 FEB 1836 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

Marriages looked up Thank you
1 Feb 1836 St Thomas Dudley
John Harrin X otp bachelor
Ann Syner otp X Widow
Wit: Benjamin Bills X Mary Harrin X

9 March 1857 St Mary Oldswinford
Joseph Siner X 22 Bachelor Nail Maker Stambermill James Siner Nail Maker
Mary Ann Smith X 22 Spinster Stambermill William Smith Labourer
Wit: Richard Hill Lavinia Hill X ?

will start adding this

Added Ann unknown married John Harrin here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =404445276

James and Maria Census and kids added here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =461810425

Still got to add marriage for Joseph to Emma and kids from Emmas first marriage

Emma with Parents
1851 Stourbridge Road Lye
James Billingham Head Mar 49 Chain Maker Born Lye
Maria Billingham Wife Mar 48 Trace Maker Born Lye
Emma Billingham Daur 13 Trace Maker Born Lye
James Billingham Son 6 Scholar Born Lye
Next Door
Lucy Billingham Head W 70 Proprieter of Houses Born Cradley
Saml Billingham Son Chain Maker Born Lye
Hannah Hill Lodger U 80 Seemstress Born Lye

James Billingham on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=19742257

I knew the Brettells rang a bell with me

I have the birth and nmarriage certs of Charles H Brettel

Birth
6 Aug 1867 Church Row Lye
Charles Harry
Father Charles Brettell Mother Emma Brettell formerley Billingham
Fathers Occupation Iron Roller
Infromant Emma Brettell Mother Chirch Row Lye
Registered 27 August 1867
Edward Levi Registrar

Marriage
2 April 1888 Holy Trinity Amblecote
Charkles Harry Brettel X 20 Bachelor Galvanizer Brettel Lane Charles Brettel Anchor Smith
Eliza Hart X 18 Spinster Brettel Lane Sylvanus Hart Hammer Maker
Wit: John William Taylor X Lizzie Southall

Sylvanus Hart was my GGG Grandfather

I have been in touch with the G Grandaughter of Charles Henry and she says that Charles Henrys father was the son of Samuel and Honor Brettell

I have a photopgraph of Eliza Brettel Nee Hart

kdw wrote:I have been in touch with the G Grandaughter of Charles Henry and she says that Charles Henrys father was the son of Samuel and Honor Brettell

not gone thru this thread
are you ok with everything?
connect up what you think

if you need help holla

Will try and sort it out now and add links when done