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I think that this family is probably Mary before marriage and brother Joseph that they are sharing a house with in 1851 so expect father of Mary to be Thomas on marriage in 1848 when it is looked up --BCC says TBC so I presume it is on the list.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =779656610

1841 Garratt's Lane, Rowley Regis
WILLIAMS, Thomas M 38 1803 Ireland Sawyer
WILLIAMS, Mary F 37 1804 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Joseph M 16 1825 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, John M 14 1827 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Mary F 12 1829 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, James M 11 1830 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Samuel M 9 1832 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Honor F 7 1834 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Sophia F 3 1838 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth F 1 1840 Staffordshire

Maths girl wrote:I think that this family is probably Mary before marriage and brother Joseph that they are sharing a house with in 1851 so expect father of Mary to be Thomas on marriage in 1848 when it is looked up --BCC says TBC so I presume it is on the list.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =779656610

1841 Garratt's Lane, Rowley Regis
WILLIAMS, Thomas M 38 1803 Ireland Sawyer
WILLIAMS, Mary F 37 1804 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Joseph M 16 1825 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, John M 14 1827 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Mary F 12 1829 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, James M 11 1830 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Samuel M 9 1832 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Honor F 7 1834 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Sophia F 3 1838 Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth F 1 1840 Staffordshire

Or maybe not as -- although Thomas seems to have forgotten his Irish heritage!
1851 Back Of Garrats Lane, Rowley Regis
WILLIAMS, Thomas Head Married M 48 1803 Sawyer Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Mary Ann Wife Married F 47 1804 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Joseph Son Unmarried M 24 1827 Sawyer Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, John Son Unmarried M 22 1829 Sawyer Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, James Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Sawyer Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Samuel Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Sawyer Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Honor Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 Nailmaker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Sophia Daughter Unmarried F 14 1837 Nailmaker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Daniel Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Nailmaker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1839 Nailmaker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Selva Daughter F 4 1847 Rowley Regis Staffordshire

So are there two Thomas Williams or has he now regained his Irish heritage but become a miner?

1861 Garratts Lane, Rowley Regis
WILLIAMS, Thomas Head Married M 59 1802 Coal Miner Ireland
WILLIAMS, Mary A Wife Married F 57 1804 Nailor Rowley Stafford
WILLIAMS, Daniel Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Coal Miner Rowley Stafford
BELLINGHAM, Elizabeth Daughter In Law Married F 21 1840 Nailor Rowley Stafford
BELLINGHAM, Joseph Son In Law Married M 28 1833 Chain Maker Kingswinford Stafford
WILLIAMS, Selvia Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Nailor Rowley Stafford

marriage isnt on list if you see tbc it is just a note it needs to be

If Joseph Beasley and wife Mary living in 1851 with a Joseph Williams maybe her brother
then he cant be unmarried still with father.

Added marriage info now

dont know if same one
as you say changes from Sawyer to miner

Thomas is miner on marriage for Mary
wit is a Joseph Williams



pass.

Northern Lass wrote:marriage isnt on list if you see tbc it is just a note it needs to be

If Joseph Beasley and wife Mary living in 1851 with a Joseph Williams maybe her brother
then he cant be unmarried still with father.

this was my concern -- unless it is pure coincidence on name or he is a cousin/uncle -- as you say it seems unlikely to be brother as he is apparently unmarried with father -- could be the witness -- but that still leaves the question of what the relationship is.

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