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I have done a look up and I now have more questions than answers....

I think that this Emma Rose is the sister of Hannah Rose who married Meshach Hackett here...

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =558140948

On the 1881 census there are 2 kids with Meshach and Hannah an Emma b abt 1864 and a William b1873
all in the notes.

There is a bapt on IGI for an Emma b 1864
not sure where as although extracted just says Worcs no church... odd that.

Father is a William

I wonder if it is the lot on the 1851 I found Quinton Halesowen.
Something aint rite though on it being this William and Jane.

I would like to find the Father of Emma and Hannah Rose and his wife

help!

This family have a Hannah but no Emma?
1851 Webbs Green Cottages Manor Lane Halesowen
Charles Rose HD 48 Nailor Lapal
Elizabeth Wife 49 Lapal
Levi Son U 22 Lapal
Ann D U 17 Lapal
Felix Son 15 Lapal
Mirah D 13 Lapal
Eliza D 11 Lapal
Hannah D 9 Lapal

This family have an Emma but no Hannah.
1851 Lower Quinton
Wm Rose HD 36 Nail Forger Halesowen
Elisabeth Wife 33 Nail Forger Halesowen
Sarah DA U 16 Nail Forger Halesowen
Joseph Son 13 Nail Forger Halesowen
Emma DA 10 Nail Forger Halesowen
George Son 8 Nail Forger Halesowen

linell wrote:This family have an Emma but no Hannah.
1851 Lower Quinton
Wm Rose HD 36 Nail Forger Halesowen
Elisabeth Wife 33 Nail Forger Halesowen
Sarah DA U 16 Nail Forger Halesowen
Joseph Son 13 Nail Forger Halesowen
Emma DA 10 Nail Forger Halesowen
George Son 8 Nail Forger Halesowen

that is the one Linell I saw and think it could be that one but as you say no Hannah

I still believe they are sisters cos of the 2 Andrews kids with Hannah and Meshach in 1881 but starting to doubt this now.
Both have Wm as father
stuck

Extracted,

EMMA ROSE.
Christening, 05 JUL 1840. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
WILLIAM ROSE.
ELIZABETH.

Extracted.

HANNAH ROSE.
Christening, 30 OCT 1842. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
CHARLES ROSE.
ELIZABETH.

All extracted. looks like Charles and William could be brothers.

CHARLES ROSE.
Christening, 19 FEB 1804. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
JOSEPH ROSE.
HANNAH.

WILLIAM ROSE.
Christening, 28 MAY 1815. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
JOSEPH ROSE.
HANNAH.

But also,

WILLIAM ROSE.
Christening, 10 MAY 1814, Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
GEORGE ROSE.
HANNAH.

Wot you thinkin on this Jimmy cos it has foxed me with these 2 Emma and Hannah

Hi NL,
I thought that they may have been cousins till I saw,

But also,

WILLIAM ROSE.
Christening, 10 MAY 1814, Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
GEORGE ROSE.
HANNAH.

hmmm....

I need to get the census for these lot 1841 and 1851 and see if a William Rose b abt 1820 or maybe earlier has kids incl Emma and Hannah

or can anyone see them on those census please.

or a bapt for them both ...or anything

NL,
Have you seen who were the parents on this marriage to confirm Hannah's father.

HANNAH ROSE.
MESHACK HACKETT.
Marriage, 07 OCT 1863. Halesowen, Worcester,
Husband Age at Marriage: 21
Wife Age at Marriage: 19

I can only see these two with different fathers,

Extracted.

HANNAH ROSE.
Christening, 30 OCT 1842. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
CHARLES ROSE.
ELIZABETH.

Extracted,

EMMA ROSE.
Christening, 05 JUL 1840. Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
WILLIAM ROSE.
ELIZABETH.

I am going to check that marriage myself for Hannah as something is very odd


1863
HACKETT Meshach ROSE Hannah Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/94

1861 CENSUS.

Manor Lane, Cottage",,ROSE,Charles,,head,M,M,57,,Nailer,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Elizabeth,,wife,M,F,57,,,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Felix,,son,U,M,23,,Ag Labourer,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Eliza,,dau,U,F,20,,Nailer,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Hannah,,dau,,F,17,,Nailer,,,WOR,Halesowen.

Ridgeacre,,ROSE,William,,head,M,M,46,,Ag Labourer,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Elizabeth,,wife,M,F,43,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Joseph,,son,U,M,23,,Ag Labourer,,,WOR,Halesowen.
ROSE,Emma,,dau,U,F,20,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.

It has taken me two nights to fathom this out but here goes:-

Emma is the sister of Hannah, I have found these census's. William Rose is on the marriage certificate as I have it in my possession, as is Benjamin Hackett

1851 Census - 16 Court 5 ****? Smallbrook St, Birmingham

William Rose 37 b 1814 Northfield
Jane Rose 57( I think this s/b 37) Northfield
Hannah Rose 7 b Walesdown Shropshire
Emma Rose 4 b Birmingham
Thomas Rose 3 months b Birmingham

1861 Census - 24 (looks like) Mitton Street Aston
William Rose 48 b 1813 Northfield
Jane Rose 47 b 1814 Northfield
Hannah Rose 17 b 1844 Northfield
Emma Rose 14 b 1847 Birmingham
Thomas Rose 10 b 1851 Northfield

1871 Census - 121 Liggins? Lane Northfield
William Rose 57 b 1814 Northfield
Jane Wheeler 56 b 1815 Northfield (Is this her maiden name?)
Thomas Wheeler 20 b 1851 Birmingham
Emma Andrews 6 1865 b Northfield (Grandaughter )
Joseph Simpson 2 b 1869 Birmingham Lodger

1871 Census- Birmingham Workhouse
Emma Andrews b 1849 Inmate
Baby Andrews ( William?) Inmate

I presume Emma married John Edwards in 1863 as stated on BCG but he must have died as I cannot find him. It does state she is unmarried on the census though?

I think Emma Andrews the mother then dies, as no trace on 1881 Census hence young Emma and William with Hannah and Meschach

1881 - Census
Emma Andrews and William Andrews with Hannah and Meshach

Does any of it make sence?