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I was wondering if anyone could help me with this
My great great grandfather was Antonio Lubeck born c1845 in Chile He married Hannah (Annie) Fox in 1875, daughter of Catherine Agnew and John Fox although I havent checked this out yet as not 100% sure
I have had a message from someone through Genes Reunited I cannot post her name as she is obviously living but this is what it said:
hi my name is ------- and antonio was my grandmothers uncle, and she was living with them on the 1891 census after her mother died. his wife and my grans mother were sisters and they came from ireland. and they lived on manasty lane of hanover street. there father had his own shop making and selling brushes.
Hopefully this will help with finding out who my great great grandmother actually was
Can anyone find the 1891 census that she is talking about? Thanks

any use?

1891: 72 Pitt Street, Liverpool, Lancashire
Antonia Lubeck 46 Head M Sailor Seas born Chila?
Annie Lubeck 36 Wife born Liverpool
Lucinda Lubeck 12 Dau S born Liverpool
John J Lubeck 6 Son born Liverpool
Phillip Lubeck 2 Son born Liverpool
Mary J Edwards 12 Neice born Liverpool
Peter Camp 30 Boarder S Sailor born Chila
Jose Foca 51 Boarder S Sailor Seas Portugal
Augtas Kuaritty 28 Boarder - Sailor Germany

Here's Mary Jane...

1881: 73 Upper Frederick Street, Liverpool, Lancashire
James Edwards 36 Head House Painter
Margaret Edwards 32 Wife
John J. Edwards 14 Son
Thomas D. Edwards 13 Son
Margaret A. Edwards 5 Dau
Mary J. Edwards 2 Dau
John J. Fox 22 Brother in Law U Mineral Water Bottler
(Mrs) Roberts 66 Boarder W Dressmaker
(all born Liverpool)

Thats great thankyou
So am i right in thinking that Annie, Margaret and John were brothers and sisters and so Their father could have also been John Fox? I have Annie(Hannah?s parents as Catherine Agnew c1819 and John Fox c1814 but have no proof of this

Possible?

1861 6, Manesty Lane, Liverpool
FOX, John Head Married M 47 1814 Corn Porter Ireland
FOX, Catherine Wife Married F 42 1819 Ireland
FOX, Robert Son Unmarried M 22 1839 Striker In Foundry Liverpool Lancashire
FOX, Margaret Daughter F 16 1845 Waistcoat Maker Liverpool Lancashire
FOX, Mary J Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar Liverpool Lancashire
FOX, Catherine Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar Liverpool Lancashire
FOX, Ann Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar Liverpool Lancashire
FOX, John Son M 2 1859

Possible ?

1871 Manisty Lane Stationer's Court, Liverpool
FOX, John Head M 55 1816 Ireland Porter
FOX, John Son M 12 1859 Lancashire Scholar
FOX, Jane Daughter F 19 1852 Lancashire Tailoress
FOX, Catharine Daughter F 17 1854 Lancashire Barmaid

This could be your lucky day if you can work out who is related to whom! -- Was Catherine married before to an Agnes(w)?

1851 22, Crosshall Street, Liverpool
FOX, John Head Married M 35 1816 Corn Labourer Ireland
FOX, Catherine Wife Married F 32 1819 Ireland
FOX, Margaret Daughter Unmarried F 5 1846 Scholar Ireland
FOX, Mary Jane Daughter Unmarried F 0 (8 MOS) 1851 Liverpool Lancashire
AGNES, Robert Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Liverpool Lancashire
MCLENEGHA, Rose Mother Widow F 58 1793 Anntenit Ireland

Originally when I found out that Hannah's mother was Catharine Agnew the spelling was CathArine not CathErine Does that help??

yerffej wrote:Originally when I found out that Hannah's mother was Catharine Agnew the spelling was CathArine not CathErine Does that help??

It is unlikely that there was any consistancy at that stage as to how catharine was spelt at that stage.

This looks like the possible marriage.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1845

FOX * John AGNEW Catharine Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/19/175
FOX * John MACLAUGLIN Catharine Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/19/175

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/mar ... lancashire

looking at the 1851 census MG found you it looks like Robert is Agnew and Rose McLaughn so would really be Mother in Law

I am still struggling with this if anyone can help.
Annie/Ann/Hannah Fox keeps changing her first name for one!
One of Antonio's sisters must have married an Edwards which is why Mary J is their neice I understand that.
I haven't got an 1861 or 1871 census for Annie and she doesn't seem to be with her parents. The Ann on 1861 is the wrong age I think??
Her marriage to Antonio is registered "Hannah" in 1875 but her death is "Annie":
Annie Lubeck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 32
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 53
RG12 / 2910 / 7 / 7
Or maybe Ann on the census IS her as on 1891 census she is aged 36 enen though her age at death was 32!!

and this marriage... Is it the same marriage with Catharine registered with two different surnames?
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1845
FOX * John AGNEW Catharine Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/19/175
FOX * John MACLAUGLIN Catharine Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/19/175

and do you think they have got Rose's surname completely wrong on the 1851 census and that she was actually MCLauglin?

I'm very confused. Please help ???

I wouldn't worry too much about the Hannah, Annie name. My mom's two grandma's were Hannah Bennett, otherwise known as Annie and Nancy and her other grannie was Registered as Mary Ann Jones, but always known as Annie and Nancy. Mom didn't know her name was Mary Ann until I started our family research.

Maggie

Well that makes me feel a lot better thankyou