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Ok Staffies, get your teeth into this one:

I'm looking for information on Joseph Barralet, especially his, and his wife Minnie's (née Hanson we think) children, their spouses & children.

For Joseph we have a possible birth in 1825 in Bethnal Green, 1851 census in Bethnal Green, marriage to Minnie in 1877, 1881 census in Mark House Road, Walthamstow, 1891 census in Sydenham and a 1893 death in Lewisham.
For Minnie Hanson we have two possible Births, 1825 in Mile End and 1845 in Aldgate. The wedding in 1877, census as spouse in 1881 & 1891 and death in Croydon in 1921.
There are children Nelly Hanson b 1872 Stoke Newington, Lydia Grace in 1875 Walthamstow (both out of wedlock ), Joseph Hanson b 1880 possible death in 1944 in Aylesbury and Margaret L (known as Peg), possible birth 1884 in Brighton.

There was also another daughter known as Molly who reputedly married a McQuellan. Peg & Molly were alive in the late 1920s and in the early 1930's Molly (known as Miss McQuellan) was teaching in a school in Middlesex where a Jane Chambers (possibly known as Miss Page) had also worked.

Can you flesh out these details (all of which are debateable) for me?

If there are details of Joseph & Minnie's parents that would be great.

It's not impossible that there's an Irish connection with the name of Lea.

To get us started -- another sister Kate Hanson

1911 Fairview Sydenham Hill Road Sydenham
BARRALET, Joseph Hanson Son Married M 31 1880 Commercial Traveller Walthamstow Essex
BARRALET, Minnie Widow Widow F 66 1845 City of London
BARRALET, Elizabeth Wife Wife F 34 1877 Littlehampton Sussex Married 9 years
BARRALET, Nelly Hanson Sister Single F 39 1872 Stoke Newongton N
BARRALET, Kate Hanson Sister Single F 33 1878 Teacher Of Singing Walworth Essex
BARRALET, Margaret Lucy Sister Single F 27 1884 Art Student Brighton Sussex

Was Minnie married before?
To quote a friend:
1 child out of wedlock is unlucky
2 is careless
3 -- well can you be that unlucky and careless?

Another daughter Laura?

1901 Fairview, Sydenham Hill Road, Lewisham
BARRALET, Minnie Head Widow F 56 1845 Living On Own Means Aldgate London
BARRALET, Nelly H Daughter Single F 29 1872 Stoke Newington London
BARRALET, Kate H Daughter Single F 23 1878 Walthamstow Essex
BARRALET, Joseph Son Single M 21 1880 Ironmonger (General) Walthamstow Essex
BARRALET, Laura Daughter Single F 19 1882 Croydon Surrey
BARRALET, Margaret L Daughter F 17 1884 Brighton Sussex

1891 Fairview, Sydenham Hill Road, Lewisham, Sydenham
BARRALET, Joseph Head Married M 66 1825 Living On Means Bethnal Green Middlesex
BARRALET, Minnie Wife Married F 46 1845 London
BARRALET, Nellie Daughter Single F 19 1872 Stoke Newington
BARRALET, Lydia Daughter Single F 16 1875 Art Pupil Walthamstow Essex
BARRALET, Kathleen Daughter F 13 1878 Scholar Walthamstow Essex
BARRALET, Joseph Son M 11 1880 Scholar Walthamstow Essex
BARRALET, Laura Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar Croydon Surrey
BARRALET, Margaret Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar Brighton
ELSON, Edith Servant Single F 18 1873 General Servant Domestic Woking

1881 Mark House Road, Walthamstow
BARRALET, Joseph Head Married M 56 1825 Retired Pottery Dealer Bethnal Green Middlesex
BARRALET, Minnie Wife Married F 56 1825 Retired Pottery Dealer Wife Mile End Middlesex
BARRALET, Nelly Hanson Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Stoke Newington Middlesex
BARRALET, Lydia Grace Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Walthamstow Essex
BARRALET, Kate Hanson Daughter Single F 3 1878 Scholar Walthamstow Essex
HANSON, Sarah Mother In Law Widow F 76 1805 Dependant London City OF Middlesex
HEWSTON, Haida Elizebath Servant Single F 25 1856 General Servant Islington Middlesex
BARRALET, Joseph Hanson Son Single M 1 1880 Walthamstow Essex

That is odd -- putting his first born son below the servant in the list!

At least we have a mother-in-law so it seems that they were Bohemian types -- with regard to marriage!

Could be Barrelat on original

1871 Grove Villas, St Mary, Stoke Newington
BARRALD, Joseph Head M 46 1825 Middlesex Porter out of employment
BARRALD, Minie Jane Wife F 26 1845 Middlesex

Brilliant stuff, thanks MathsGirl.

No sign of a Molly or a McQuellan though which is disappointing but the family used nicknames an awful lot so it may have been one of the existing daughters. Family gossip has it that the husband McQuellan was disabled ("She only married him out of pity". "The marriage was never consummated" etc.), possibly in WWI, if that gives any more avenues to explore.

Oh, and it wasn't Jane Chambers it was Viola, Jane was a nickname

Of course this was in the 1930s, maybe I'll have to wait for another 20 years for the next two censuses to be published. And I've just realised that the school must have been in the Edgeware part of North London (Middlesex) so it looks like they had moved from the house in Sydenham. We have letters written from the children of the school to MrsSRD's mum (Viola Chambers as was) after she had left to move up North. Some of those children may well still be alive.

By the way, if that Barrald entry and the marriage in Brighton are the right ones, Joseph & Minnie had been living together as man and wife for some time. I wonder what their origins were? Any chance of parentage?

I have a vague memory of seeing an entry for a Minnie Hanson on passenger arrivals at Liverpool but can't find it now, can anyone else see if they can find it?

SRD wrote:.

By the way, if that Barrald entry and the marriage in Brighton are the right ones, Joseph & Minnie had been living together as man and wife for some time. I wonder what their origins were? Any chance of parentage?

Given the difference in their ages, could he have been married before and they had to wait until he heard first wife was dead before they married?

Leaving the 1871 census aside -- the implication in the others is that there was some money around -- retired pottery dealer/ living on own means --- would trade directories give any further clues? / wills?

BARRALET Joseph of Fairview Sydenham-Hill-Rd, Kent, Gentleman, died 11 october 1893. Probate London 6 November to Minne Barralet widow, Nelly Hanson Barralet spinster ane Thomas Barralet Gentlman. Effects £1714 12s 6d.

Indexed as William,
BARRALET Minnie of 88 Oakfield Rd, West Croydon, Surrey. Widow died 8 March 1921. Probate London 6 April to Kate Hanson Barralet spinster. Effects £833 9s.

BARRALET Kate Hanson of Newstead 56 Sefton Rd, Addiscombe Croydon Surrey. spinster died 26 January 1928. Probate London. Effects £2013 4s 11d.

Possible Minnies parents,
1871. 3 Red Lion Sq, Finsbury.
William Hanson Head 69. abt 1802. Male. St Marylebone. Middlesex. Surveyor.
Sarah Hanson Wife 66. abt 1805. Female. Whitechapel. Middlesex.
Jane Weston Servant 53. abt 1818. Female. Killarney Kerry. Ireland.
Mary A Scott Boarder 36. abt 1835. Female. St George The Martyr. Middlesex.

Deaths Sep 1949.
Barralet Margaret L. 65. Eastbourne. 5h. 185.

Deaths Mar 1928.
Barralet Kate H. 50. Croydon. 2a. 392.