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*Archive?* News on Giles Loakes

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:47 pm
by Loakesy
Hi again

A few of you here may remember me from a brief visit a couple of years ago. I seem to attack my family history in fits-and-starts with long breaks in between. And I seem to be going through an enthusiastic stage. :wink:

Last time I was here I asked for information about my Great x3 grandfather Giles Loakes, and I received some invaluable help in locating him in the 1901 census, having searched at great length with no result. You can read all about that here: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=285

I thought I'd give a bit of an update.

I have recently subscribed to Ancestry (why didn't I do this before?????) from where I have managed to add about over 100 new members of my family to my tree in the last few weeks. Anyway, I have just come across a third marriage for Giles, to one 'Honora Daley' whilst living in Bethnal Green. This one occurred about 7 months after the death of his first wife and 2 years before his marriage to his third wife. Alarm bells started ringing as soon as I found this, because the death certificate of the first wife, Hepzibah, said that the death was subject to an inquest. Sadly I have never found a copy of the coroner's report so I can only imagine the circumstances of her death. To add insult to injury, neither can I find a death record for Honora Loakes anywhere. There are, however, 17 deaths of Honora Daley between 1865 and 1920, but having no other information about her other than her father's name is Joel or Hoel I can't tell which one is the right one.

I'm beginning to wonder (and even hope) that there is something sinister afoot, but can't work out what to do next.

Can anyone suggest what my next move might be? I would be very interested to find out what happened to Honora as well as Hepzibah.

Incidentally, today I found BMD records of two one-year-old girls called Isobel Loakes, both of whom died in Bethnal Green the quarter after the death of Hepzibah. Am I related to a serial killer?

Any suggestions would be very gratefully received!

Re: News on Giles Loakes

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:37 pm
by peterd
this is the marriage

Marriages Dec 1864

BRAMLEY Eliza Bethnal Gn 1c 743
Daley Honora Bethnal Gn. 1c 743
Gunby Samuel Bethnal Gn 1c 743
Loakes Giles Bethnal Gn 1c 743


what does your 1871 census say ?

Re: News on Giles Loakes

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:40 pm
by peterd
was giles father called giles ?


as poss sister

PHEBE LOAKES
Father: GILES LOAKES

Spouse: DAVID THOMAS DAVIES
Father: THOMAS DAVIES
Marriage: 27 MAR 1856 Saint James, Paddington, London

Re: News on Giles Loakes

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:11 pm
by Loakesy
peterd wrote:this is the marriage

Marriages Dec 1864

BRAMLEY Eliza Bethnal Gn 1c 743
Daley Honora Bethnal Gn. 1c 743
Gunby Samuel Bethnal Gn 1c 743
Loakes Giles Bethnal Gn 1c 743


what does your 1871 census say ?


1871 Shows Giles married to wife number 3 Mary Bowyer, back in his hometown of Witcham in Cambridgeshire.


peterd wrote:was giles father called giles ?


as poss sister

PHEBE LOAKES
Father: GILES LOAKES

Spouse: DAVID THOMAS DAVIES
Father: THOMAS DAVIES
Marriage: 27 MAR 1856 Saint James, Paddington, London


Giles (my great x3 GF)'s father's name was Giles. I have seen this marriage, but cannot confirm that the Giles is mine (Giles seems to be a popular name in the LOAKES/LOAKE/LOKE/LOKES family) although it is highly possible.

Re: News on Giles Loakes

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:10 pm
by Jimmy
peterd wrote:this is the marriage

Marriages Dec 1864

BRAMLEY Eliza Bethnal Gn 1c 743
Daley Honora Bethnal Gn. 1c 743
Gunby Samuel Bethnal Gn 1c 743
Loakes Giles Bethnal Gn 1c 743


what does your 1871 census say ?


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921.
Giles Loakes. Widower. Porter.
Age: 33.
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831.
Spouse Name: Honora Daley. Spinster.
Spouse Age: 37.
Record Type: Marriage.
Marriage Date: 17 Oct 1864.
Parish: St Philip, Bethnal Green.
County: Middlesex.
Borough: Tower Hamlets.
Father Name: Giles Loakes. Farmer.
Spouse Father Name: Hoel Daley. Farmer.

Address for both,
Little George St..

Re: News on Giles Loakes

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:32 pm
by Jimmy
Loakesy wrote:
Incidentally, today I found BMD records of two one-year-old girls called Isobel Loakes, both of whom died in Bethnal Green the quarter after the death of Hepzibah. Am I related to a serial killer?

Any suggestions would be very gratefully received!


On freebmd it dos'nt give an age for deaths in 1864.

Deaths Sep 1864.
LOAKES Isabella. Bethnal Green. 1c. 258.
LOAKES Isabella. Bethnal Green. 1c. 260.

Re: News on Giles Loakes

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:02 pm
by Maths girl
Jimmy wrote:
Loakesy wrote:
Incidentally, today I found BMD records of two one-year-old girls called Isobel Loakes, both of whom died in Bethnal Green the quarter after the death of Hepzibah. Am I related to a serial killer?

Any suggestions would be very gratefully received!


On freebmd it dos'nt give an age for deaths in 1864.

Deaths Sep 1864.
LOAKES Isabella. Bethnal Green. 1c. 258.
LOAKES Isabella. Bethnal Green. 1c. 260.


So this could be a mother dying in child birth and her new born daughter or two unrelated Isabellas

Re: News on Giles Loakes

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:05 am
by peterd
Maths girl wrote:
Jimmy wrote:
Loakesy wrote:
Incidentally, today I found BMD records of two one-year-old girls called Isobel Loakes, both of whom died in Bethnal Green the quarter after the death of Hepzibah. Am I related to a serial killer?

Any suggestions would be very gratefully received!


On freebmd it dos'nt give an age for deaths in 1864.

Deaths Sep 1864.
LOAKES Isabella. Bethnal Green. 1c. 258.
LOAKES Isabella. Bethnal Green. 1c. 260.


So this could be a mother dying in child birth and her new born daughter or two unrelated Isabellas



no they are poss related as same volume one entry 258 next 260 so one death between them (259) so a good chance of mother and daughter

Re: News on Giles Loakes

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:28 am
by Loakesy
Jimmy wrote:
On freebmd it dos'nt give an age for deaths in 1864.

Deaths Sep 1864.
LOAKES Isabella. Bethnal Green. 1c. 258.
LOAKES Isabella. Bethnal Green. 1c. 260.



Yes of course, my mistake. I must have rear the '1' from '1c' as their age.

I guess the only way I'll know who these two are is by getting their certificates.

Re: News on Giles Loakes

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:12 pm
by grangers14
Can this be archived now Loakesy?
Jo :)