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I have been posting on roots and searching for my next ancestor in line and hopefully his parents. I will outline what I/we have so far in the hope that a fresh pair of eyes may be able help a little.
I am searching for my GG grandfather. Then hopefully to his parents.
I have identified him various censuses.
1901,1891 & 1881 has Joseph Tipping along with his wife Mary Ann Williams and children namely John my G grandfather. All living in Birmingham. Joseph's birthplace is noted as Upton upon Severn.
1871 & 1861 I find Joseph with parents William & Eliza residing in Upton upon Severn
Now things start to turn
I have Eliza and some children in Upton in both 1851 & 1841 censuses, but no William. The 1851 even states Eliza as widow, but I think I have William on both censuses but in Marylebone, London
This I find puzzling, I have a christening on IGI for another of the children giving both Eliza and William as parents. The christening is in 1844 whereas Eliza is called a widow in 1851 census. I then find her again in 1861 with William

In trying to pin down Joseph I am struggling. I have a christening from IGI but it shows no father?

JOSEPH TIPPEN Christening: 01 SEP 1849 Upton On Severn, Worcester Mother: ELIZA TIPPEN

Regarding a birth index all I've come across so far is an un-named male but as yet no corresponding death index that I can see.

. Births Sep 1849 (>99%)
TIPPING Male Upton upon Severn 18 503

There is also a female un-named with the same index.

Regarding the widow bit -- this was sometimes a respectability thing when they had children but weren't living with the father.

I have a couple living apart in which he thinks he is married (living with his mother!) and she states widowed (living with the children)

Maybe William wandered off and then decided the grass was greener where he had come from -- the women would have had little option but to take back wayward husbands at that time

Eliza is in the Upton Upon Severn workhouse with three children in the 1841 census.

1841 census transcription details for: Upton Union Workhouse, Upton Upon Severn
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1206 Book/Folio: 6/42 Page: 4

Reg. District: Upton upon Severn Sub District: Upton upon Severn
Parish: Upton upon Severn Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Upton Union Workhouse, Upton Upon Severn
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

TIPPIN, Eliza F 30 1811 Worcestershire
TIPPIN, Willm M 6 1835 Worcestershire
TIPPIN, Eliza F 4 1837 Worcestershire
TIPPIN, George M 2 1839 Worcestershire

Baptisms for two of the children in the workhouse.

Name: William Tipping
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Jun 1835
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARYS,HANLEY CASTLE,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Tipping
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04216-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 465263
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Eliza Tippin
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 16 Apr 1837
Baptism/Christening Place: POWICK,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Tippin
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02333-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 350875
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Her first born, Thomas, not in the workhouse but living with his grandparents.

1841 census transcription details for: Gilbert's End, Hanley Castle
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1205 Book/Folio: 1/14 Page: 21

Reg. District: Upton upon Severn Sub District: Hanley Castle
Parish: Hanley Castle Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Gilbert's End, Hanley Castle
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BULLOCK, Thomas M 55 1786 Worcestershire
BULLOCK, Betty F 49 1792 Worcestershire
HANDY, John M 77 1764 Worcestershire
TIPPIN, Thomas M 8 1833 Worcestershire

Thomas' Baptism

Name: Thomas Tippin
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 18 Feb 1834
Baptism/Christening Place: POWICK,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Tippin
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02333-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 350875
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

This relationship is shown in the 1851 census.

1851 census transcription details for: Gilbertsend, Hanley Castle
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2043 Folio: 211 Page: 32
Reg. District: Upton upon Severn Sub District: Hanley Castle
Parish: Hanley Castle Enum. District: 7A
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Gilbertsend, Hanley Castle
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born
BULLOCK, Thomas Head Married M 62 1789 Farm Labourer Castlemorton Worcestershire
BULLOCK, Elizabeth Wife Married F 56 1795 Hanley Castle Worcestershire
HANDY, John Father-In-Law Widower M 86 1765 Pauper Ripple Worcestershire
TIPPIN, Thomas Grand Son M 17 1834 Labourer Powick Worcestershire

For some reason, the George in the 1841 and 1851 census gets baptised when about 5 years of age...

Name: George Tippin
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 14 Apr 1844
Baptism/Christening Place: KEMPSEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Tippin
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04389-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 415130
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


Looking at the rest of the family on the 1851 census....

1851 census transcription details for: Court Street Coffin Row, Upton, Upton Upon Severn
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2043 Folio: 489 Page: 32

Reg. District: Upton upon Severn Sub District: Upton upon Severn
Parish: Upton Enum. District: 9D
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Upton upon Severn
Address: Court Street Coffin Row, Upton, Upton Upon Severn
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born
TIPPIN, Eliza Head Widow F 41 1810 Malvern Worcestershire
TIPPIN, Eliza Duaghter F 14 1837 Powick Worcestershire
TIPPIN, George Son M 11 1840 Part ST Worcestershire
TIPPIN, John Son M 8 1843 Stoke Worcestershire
TIPPIN, Mary A Daughter F 8 1843 Stoke Worcestershire
TIPPIN, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1845 Upton Worcestershire
TIPPIN, Joseph Son M 1 1850 Upton Worcestershire

THe other sibling on the census are:

Name: John Tippin
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Sep 1842
Baptism/Christening Place: SEVERN STOKE,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Tippin
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02239-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 246714
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Mary Anne Tippin
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Sep 1842
Baptism/Christening Place: SEVERN STOKE,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Tippin
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02239-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 246714
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: George Tippin
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 14 Apr 1844
Baptism/Christening Place: KEMPSEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Tippin
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04389-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 415130
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Elizabeth Tippin
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 May 1844
Baptism/Christening Place: UPTON ON SEVERN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Tippin
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05411-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 942934
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

I would say that Joseph's parents William Tippin(g) and Eliza Bullock.

His grandparants are Thomas Bullock and Elizabeth (Betty) Handy.

His Great Grandfather is John Handy.

That was a quick look but should be enough for you to sort the rest out.

Eliza may claim to be a widow in 1851 if she was abandoned by Willaim for some years.

Many thanks for your "quick look".
The census results are the ones I have, apart from the grandparents record. I have also a couple of the christenings you have sourced. So thanks for the set
I notice that all the christenings name William as the father. That is all except the one I want to say it, Joseph's
Hopefully now with with Eliza's grandparents names I may be able to find a marriage somewhere.

Looking thru familysearch, Ancestry freebmd ect doesn't give me any hits at all for a marriage between a William Tippin(g) and Eliza Bullock or various other permutations. So I wonder if you could advise me on what/where is the best place to search next to try to source the details.

Not all parishes have been digitised.

Try BMSGH.

http://www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk/Powick.html

MarkCDodd wrote:Not all parishes have been digitised.

Try BMSGH.

http://www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk/Powick.html

Forgive my ignorance, as I've only recently started. Am I right in thinking that I would need to visit Worcester Library and History Centre to search thru the films there.
Not a problem if so as I'm in Birmingham so not a major distance away.

Sometimes a visit is needed if the records are not digitised.

It looks like FamilySearch only have the Christenings for Powick so I think you would have to visit the archives to see the marriages.

Ok thx, I'll go down as soon a I get a day or two free from work

Can this be archived now stormswift?
Jo

grangers14 wrote:Can this be archived now stormswift?
Jo

Yes Jo thats fine.