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My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:11 pm
by margaretb2
My grandfather - Sidney Charles Valentine - according to his birth certificate, was born on the 1st July 1874. The name of father was Charles Valentine and the name of mother was Selina Valentine - formerly Valentine.
Sidney married my grandmother Winifred Foster in 1901. The marriage certificate states his father as Sidney Valentine deceased.
I think I am right in assuming that Selina and Charles did not marry and that Sidney was illegitimate. This would have been a stigma back in 1874, and Selina would have kept very quiet about this part of her life. In both the 1881 and 1891 census she had declared herself as a widow. She probably told Sidney that his father had died and she had named him after him (so he had thought this to be Sidney)?
I have drawn a blank at this point as I am unable to find a link between Selina and Charles. I have tried BMDs with no clues. Is this the end of the line on this part of my tree
Margaret
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:28 pm
by snoopysue
Post the addresses where they lived, were born etc, and any additional info, it might be a case of not seeing the wood for the trees!!
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:29 pm
by Maths girl
Have you got this one -- presumably her brother/sister in law gave the info and didn't stick to the widow story!
1901 91, Ramsden Road, Streatham
VALENTINE, George B Head Married M 58 1843 Foreman Saw Mills Barton Le Clay Bedfordshire
VALENTINE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 60 1841 Hitchin Hertfordshire
VALENTINE, Selina Sister Single F 60 1841 Barton Le Clay Bedfordshire
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:31 pm
by Maths girl
1911 408 St Anns Road S Tottenham
HOBLEY, Elizabeth Ann Head Single F 46 1865 Dressmaker Charlwood Place Pimlico London
HOBLEY, Emma Selina Sister Single F 37 1874 Dressmaker Charlwood Place Pimlico London
HOBLEY, George Brother Single M 32 1879 Clerk Shipping Charlwood Place Pimlico London
VALINTINE, Selina Aunt Single F 70 1841 Retired House-Keeper Old Age Pensioner Barton Beks
BRABANT, William Charles Nephew M 13 1898 School-Boy Cambridge
BRABANT, Ada Elizabeth Niece F 11 1900 School Girl Cambridge
BRABANT, Maude Emma Niece F 7 1904 School Girl Cambridge
BRABANT, Winifred Clara Visitor F 16 1895 General Servant Domestic London Camden Town
No children reported for any of the above
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:32 pm
by linell
margaretb2 wrote:My grandfather - Sidney Charles Valentine - according to his birth certificate, was born on the 1st July 1874. The name of father was Charles Valentine and the name of mother was Selina Valentine - formerly Valentine.
Sidney married my grandmother Winifred Foster in 1901. The marriage certificate states his father as Sidney Valentine deceased.
I think I am right in assuming that Selina and Charles did not marry and that Sidney was illegitimate. This would have been a stigma back in 1874, and Selina would have kept very quiet about this part of her life. In both the 1881 and 1891 census she had declared herself as a widow. She probably told Sidney that his father had died and she had named him after him (so he had thought this to be Sidney)?
I have drawn a blank at this point as I am unable to find a link between Selina and Charles. I have tried BMDs with no clues. Is this the end of the line on this part of my tree
Margaret
Margaret do you have Selina on the Census as a young woman, was she born with the name Valentine, or did she just call herself that, and would have had no connection to Charles other than amour?
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:35 pm
by linell
1881 Census:-
Selina VALENTINE Head W Female 40 Barton, Bedford, England Bakers & Grocer (Employing 1 Man)
Sidney VALENTINE Son Male 6 Southwark, Surrey, England Scholar
Source Information:
Dwelling 19 Tyers Terr General Shop
Census Place Lambeth, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341137
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0599 / 16
Page Number 27
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:39 pm
by snoopysue
1871 census
Warwick Street, St Martin in the Fields
STRIP, Thomas Head M 49 1822 Surrey
STRIP, Ann Wife F 47 1824 Bedfordshire
STRIP, William Son M 17 1854 Middlesex
STRIP, Selina Daughter F 19 1852 Middlesex
STRIP, Emma Daughter F 14 1857 Middlesex
VALENTINE, Selina Sister-In-Law F 30 1841 Bedfordshire
SHORT, Benjamin Servant M 24 1847 Essex
ABBOT, Charlotte Servant F 25 1846 Hertfordshire
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:42 pm
by Maths girl
1891 19, Tyers Terrace, Lambeth
VALENTINE, Selina Head Of Family Widow F 50 1841 Grocer Barton Bedfordshire
VALENTINE, Sidney Son Single M 16 1875 Clerk Westminster London
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:43 pm
by snoopysue
1861
Village By West Side Of Turnpikes Road, Barton, Luton
BURBRIDGE, Thomas Head Married M 51 1810 Farmer Of 130 Acres Employing 9 Men 2 Boy Barton
BURBRIDGE, Eliza Wife Married F 54 1807 Stack Cambridgeshire
WRIGHT, Mary Ann Sister Unmarried F 46 1815 Dress Maker Bennington Herefordshire
VALENTINE, Selina Niece Unmarried F 20 1841 Dairy Maid Barton Bedfordshire
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:44 pm
by Maths girl
1851 Village, Barton
BURBIDGE, Thomas Head Married M 41 1810 Farmer 128 Ac Empy 6 Men 2 Boys Barton Bedfordshire
BURBIDGE, Eliza Wife Married F 43 1808 Farmers Wife Stowe Cambridgeshire
WRIGHT, Mary Ann Sister-In-Law Unmarried F 36 1815 Dress Maker Bennington Hertfordshire
VALENTINE, Eliza Niece F 13 1838 Scholar Barton Bedfordshire
VALENTINE, Selina Niece F 10 1841 Scholar Barton Bedfordshire
VALENTINE, George Burbidge Nephew M 8 1843 Scholar Barton Bedfordshire
ANGELL, David Servant Unmarried M 22 1829 Shepherd Henlow Bedfordshire
ANSELL, William Servant Unmarried M 17 1834 Farm Servant Barton Bedfordshire
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:46 pm
by linell
1851 Census:-
Name Age
Thomas Burbidge 41 Head Farmer
Eliza Burbidge 43 Wife
Mary Ann Wright 36 Sister In Law
Eliza Valentine 13 Niece
Selina Valentine 10 Niece
Georg Burbidge Valentine 8 Nephew
David Angell 22 Servant
William Ansell 17 Servant
Linell.
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:47 pm
by Maths girl
1841 Turnpike Road, North, Barton-Le-Clay
VALENTINE, James M 50 1791 Farmer
VALENTINE, Mary F 35 1806 Bedfordshire
VALENTINE, James M 13 1828 Bedfordshire
VALENTINE, John M 12 1829 Bedfordshire
VALENTINE, Mary F 8 1833 Bedfordshire
VALENTINE, Emma F 5 1836 Bedfordshire
VALENTINE, Eliza F 3 1838 Bedfordshire
VALENTINE, Selina F 0 (11 months) 1841 Bedfordshire
HOLDSTOCK, James M 15 1826 Bedfordshire
ALLEN, John M 15 1826 Bedfordshire
WARD, William M 15 1826 Bedfordshire
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:49 pm
by snoopysue
Possible birth:
Name: VALENTINE, Selina
Registration District: Luton
County: Bedfordshire
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume No: 6
Page No: 86
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:56 pm
by Maths girl
snoopysue wrote:1871 census
Warwick Street, St Martin in the Fields
STRIP, Thomas Head M 49 1822 Surrey Licensed Victualler
STRIP, Ann Wife F 47 1824 Bedfordshire
STRIP, William Son M 17 1854 Middlesex BArman
STRIP, Selina Daughter F 19 1852 Middlesex Barmaid
STRIP, Emma Daughter F 14 1857 Middlesex BArmaid
VALENTINE, Selina Sister-In-Law F 30 1841 Bedfordshire Barmaid
SHORT, Benjamin Servant M 24 1847 Essex Nailer
ABBOT, Charlotte Servant F 25 1846 Hertfordshire
Re: My great-grandmother Selina Valentine
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:56 pm
by linell
Margaret do you know if Selina's Parents died, is that why she was bought up by Relations? Do you know when and where Charles was born
Linell.