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I am trying to confirm if Samuel Bayliss and Alice COTTOM were actually married. The 1881 Census has them as married and living at 8 Alexander Street Birmingham Warwickshire with Alice's parents Henry and Alice COTTON.
I have it that Alice was born in Oct 1863 (father Henry, mother Alice) and Samuel in July 1856 (father also Samuel and mother Sarah).
I was given this information: Alice married (MRIN:4864) Samuel BAYLISS-15250.
Being a little new at this family tree research I am not sure what those numbers mean.
There doesn't appear to be a record of them having married.

1871
Court 13, No 11, Church Street, Birmingham
Henry Cottom 44 - Brass Founder
Alice Cottom 36
Henry Cottom 15 - Powder Flask maker
Alice Cottom 7
Walter Cottom 2
Frederick Cottom
all b Birmingham

1881
8 Alexander Street, Birmingham
Henry Cotton 57 - Brass dresser
Alice Cotton 44
Walter Cotton 12
Fred Cotton 10
Emma Cotton 5
Alice Bayliss 19 - daug
Samuel Bayliss 25 - son in law - Toolmaker
all b Birmingham

FarSide wrote:1881
8 Alexander Street, Birmingham
Henry Cotton 57 - Brass dresser
Alice Cotton 44
Walter Cotton 12
Fred Cotton 10
Emma Cotton 5
Alice Bayliss 19 - daug
Samuel Bayliss 25 - son in law - Toolmaker
all b Birmingham

Makes out they are married here. They had a son Charles Henry Bayliss and his birth certificate says his mother was Alice Bayliss formerly Cottom.

Haven't been able to find out if and when they married.

1861. Baggott St, Birmingham.
Mary Ann Baylies 50.
William Henry Baylies 24. Son.
Ellen Bayliss 24. Dau in law.
Samuel Bayliss 5. Grand son.
George Bayliss 15. son.
Alfred Albert Bayliss 12. son.
Mary Ann Bayliss 10. dau.

I havent been able to see a marriage?

Jimmy wrote:1861. Baggott St, Birmingham.
Mary Ann Baylies 50.
William Henry Baylies 24. Son.
Ellen Bayliss 24. Dau in law.
Samuel Bayliss 5. Grand son.
George Bayliss 15. son.
Alfred Albert Bayliss 12. son.
Mary Ann Bayliss 10. dau.

Don't think that's the right family Jimmy. Samuel's father was also Samuel and his mother was Sarah Rooke.

1861 Census they are living at Court 8 Lench Street, Birmingham. Warwickshire.

grangers14 wrote:I havent been able to see a marriage?

No can't find it. It appears as though Alice Cottom's parent weren't married either. Henry was her father and her mother was also Alice.

Marriages Mar 1852.
Cottom Henry. Birmingham. 6d. 161.
Keatly Alice. Birmingham. 6d. 161.

Henry Cottom.
Bride's Name: Alice Heatly.
Marriage Date: 21 Mar 1852.
Marriage Place: Saint Stephen,Birmingham,Warwick.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04116-1.
System Origin: England-ODM.
Source Film Number: 817172.

Top marks Jimmy!!

Samuel Bayliss and Alice Cottom may have died early as I can only find that they had one son - Charles Henry Bayliss.
I found a Charles Bayliss in the 1881 Census living in a Coventry Union Workhouse.

Jimmy wrote:Marriages Mar 1852.
Cottom Henry. Birmingham. 6d. 161.
Keatly Alice. Birmingham. 6d. 161.

Henry Cottom.
Bride's Name: Alice Heatly.
Marriage Date: 21 Mar 1852.
Marriage Place: Saint Stephen,Birmingham,Warwick.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04116-1.
System Origin: England-ODM.
Source Film Number: 817172.

Hi Tinks - I'm off to Birmingham Archives today - would you like the details of this marriage ?

What does that involve Antie Em?

I've just noticed it has KEATLY up the top and HEATLY down lower.

Tinkerbell wrote:What does that involve Antie Em?

I've just noticed it has KEATLY up the top and HEATLY down lower.

I'll just have a look at the marriage in St Peter's parish records - it will be the original and tell us the witnesses names, sometimes it is even a father.

OK That would be good if it's not too much trouble for you. Thanks Antie Em.

Tinkerbell wrote:OK That would be good if it's not too much trouble for you. Thanks Antie Em.

No trouble - glad to help

Here's the marriage Tinks

21.03.1852, St Stephens, Birmingham
Henry Cottom, 22, B, Brass Founder of Brearly Steet, Father Robert Cottom, Brass Founder (Henry Signed)
Alice Heatly (could be Keatly), 20, S, (Percepion?) Cap Maker of Brearly Street, Father John Heatly (could be Keatly), Burnisher (X)
Wit : Thomas Heatly (could be Keatly) (X) and Eliza Ingram (X)