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*Arc tbc* ---William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:45 am
by Northern Lass
Can we find this family on later and earlier census pls
he may be down as a Thomas with a sister Mary on 1871....not sure
1861. Garratts Lane, Rowley Regis
William Powell, head, 30, Coal Miner
Sarah, wife, 29, Bromsgrove
John, brother, 28, Coal Miner,
Mary Grove, boarder, 27, Colliery Lab,
Mary Ann, Powell, daur, 4,
Henry, son, 2,
Mary, neice, 9
All others born Rowley Regis
mommy_edwards wrote:............ I have more information.
On 1871 census, James was living with John Powell, listed as his Uncle.
On another census (I forget which, sorry) John Powell is living with a William Powell and Sarah Powell as brother.
On another census (1871??), William Powell is possible mis-transcribed as Thomas and has a sister, Mary Powell, living with him.
The marriage of John Powell and Mary Grove gives John's father as William Powell.
The marriage of William Powell to Sarah Wakeman gives father as William Powell.
It is my belief therefore, that James Powell had a brother WIlliam Powell who had at least 3 children- William, John and Mary.
What do you think?
There is another discussion thread relating to William Powell and Sarah Wakeman, which, to my knowledge,
has not thrown up any light on the origins of this family.
William Powell was a widower when he married Sarah Wakeman.
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:59 am
by grangers14
1871. Garratts Lane, Rowley Regis.
Thomas Powell, head, 41, Coal miner
Sarah, wife, 39,
Henry, son, 12,
Sarah Jane, daur, 6,
William, son, 4,
Eliza? Daur, 1,
Mary, sister, 20, Nail Maker
All born Rowley Regis
??
1881. 73 Garratts Lane, Rowley Regis
William Powell, head, 63, Coal Miner (age as that)
Sarah, wife, 48, Bromsgrove
William, son, 14, labourer for chain maker
Eliza, daur, 10, nurse,
Emma, daur, 7,
Sarah J Powell, daur in law, W, 22, gen serv (daughter in law??)
William H, grandson, 2,
George, grand son, 6 months
All others born Rowley Regis
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:09 am
by Northern Lass
I think William on marriage to Sarah Wakeman is a wid
so prev married to ???
that is william isnt it....so he has brother John and sister Mary
so can we find them going back
William John and Mary may have a father William
who may be brother to James powell....I think....
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:10 am
by grangers14
Theres this family in earlier census but John is showing older than William??
1841. Union Street Harborne
William Powel, 30, Lab,
Mary, 25,
John, 8,
William, 6,
Ann, 4
Elizabeth, 2
All born in County
1851. Cramford Street, Harborne
William Powell, head, 44, Coal Dealer and Grocer
Mary, wife, 40
John, son, 19 ? Puddler
William, son, 17, Puddler,
Elizabeth, daur, 12, Northfield
James, son, 9,
Louisa, daur, 6,
Alfred, son, 3
All others born Smethwick
Was there a connection to Morris and Cox ? Cant remember now.
Either side of them is a Morris family and then Cox
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:17 am
by Northern Lass
yes on James powell 1841 morris before him and then a
John cox and Jane nee morris
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:33 am
by grangers14
You know I think Mary as Niece on 1861 and Mary as sister on 1871 might be the same person?
Jo
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:40 am
by grangers14
May be just a coincidence?? On that 1851 census near William Powell
Next door but one, previos is
Edmund Morris, head, 39, Shoe maker, Stourbridge
Elizabeth, wife, 43,
Mary Ann ,daur, 17, school assistant,
Ann M, daur, 8,
Elizabeth, daur, 2, Smethwick
All others born Tipton
Next door,
Stephen Cox, head, 29, Engineer, Tipton
Mary, wife, 28, Darlaston
William, son, 6,
Stephen, son, 4
Mary Cox, daur, 2
Mercy, daur, 1 month
William Stubbs, visitor, 16, Engineer, Hammerwich?
Sarah Hudston?, serv, 16, House servant, Northampton
All others born Smethwick
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:29 pm
by Northern Lass
this is the marriage we think
so where is he on 1851 and who did he marry before
would like to know where this guy is in 1851
William Powell married Sarah Wakeman at...
St Giles, RR on May 11th 1856.
William Powell (Widower), Collier, Old Hill. Father William Powell, nailer.
Sarah Wakeman (spinster), Old HIll. Father William Wakeman, nailer.
Wit: Thomas Smith and Harriet Guest.
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:50 am
by Northern Lass
Is there a bapt at all for william Powell and father William
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:39 am
by Northern Lass
Ok can someone look on the beta site pls and see if this marriage is on
WILLIAM POWELL
Marriages:
Spouse: HARRIET WALKER Family
Marriage: 25 JAN 1852 Saint Peter Dale End, Birmingham, Warwick, Extracted
I think we have a bapt for Wm John and Ann
and I think the parents on that 1841 and 1851 are our Wms parents
I think he then marries in that area a Harriet Walker
this may link to the Selina Walker who marries James Siviter
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =652256143James has a bro William who marris Elizabeth Powell
parents Wm and Mary
1. WILLIAM POWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 MAY 1834 Harborne, Stafford, England
2. JOHN POWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 OCT 1831 Harborne, Stafford, England
3. ANN POWELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 FEB 1836 Harborne, Stafford, England
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:41 am
by Northern Lass
grangers14 wrote:Theres this family in earlier census but John is showing older than William??
1841. Union Street Harborne
William Powel, 30, Lab,
Mary, 25,
John, 8,
William, 6,
Ann, 4
Elizabeth, 2
All born in County
1851. Cramford Street, Harborne
William Powell, head, 44, Coal Dealer and Grocer
Mary, wife, 40
John, son, 19 ? Puddler
William, son, 17, Puddler,
Elizabeth, daur, 12, Northfield
James, son, 9,
Louisa, daur, 6,
Alfred, son, 3
All others born Smethwick
Was there a connection to Morris and Cox ? Cant remember now.
Either side of them is a Morris family and then Cox
I think this is Wms family.....on 1841 and 1851 his and Johns ages need inverting
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:12 pm
by Northern Lass
I have connected up James Powell as brother to William Powell snr based on 1871 census
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =165174734he is Uncle to John b 1833 on 1871
and we know that William b 1831 is bro to JOhn
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =937508579so as mommy edwards says Wm and JOhn nephews to James
but that age gap is quite big for Wm snr and James 1820ish
Re: William Powell--mommy edwards
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:55 pm
by Northern Lass
not sure we can do more with this lot until we get more info from certifs..
so unless anyone wants to add anymore or run with any more flagging to archive