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Hello all and thanks for allowing me to join your site. I am researching the name HARVEY. My grandfather was a James Harvey born around 1872 dying in 1932 age 61 yo. He can't be found in the 1871 or 1881 censuses. In 1891 I believe he was boarding with the Allington family in Darfield Barnsley and working as a coal miner. The census says born Oldbury. Then he married Rebecca Mackay/ Mcnay in 1893 in Holy trinity church Wingate. In 1901 they are living with children in Wingate Durham he is a coal miner and born Yorkshire N.K (not known ) They are still there in 1911 and he says born in Barnsley, my dad George was born in 1913. Rebecca dies 1915.I have their marriage certificate and all it says is father a George Harvey blacksmith. No Mothers name, no siblings although a William Harvey is a witness with Ann Rudkin on the 1893 marriage certificate maybe an uncle, brother or grandfather ??? So in one census he says Staffordshire and the next he says Yorkshire?
I know George is the son of William Harvey a blacksmith from Oldbury and he married Eliza Trowmans, so I just need to tie in my James with George and Eliza.
Any help will be appreciated.

HarvAdel wrote:Hello all and thanks for allowing me to join your site. I am researching the name HARVEY. My grandfather was a James Harvey born around 1872 dying in 1932 age 61 yo. He can't be found in the 1871 or 1881 censuses. In 1891 I believe he was boarding with the Allington family in Darfield Barnsley and working as a coal miner. The census says born Oldbury. Then he married Rebecca Mackay/ Mcnay in 1893 in Holy trinity church Wingate. In 1901 they are living with children in Wingate Durham he is a coal miner and born Yorkshire N.K (not known ) They are still there in 1911 and he says born in Barnsley, my dad George was born in 1913. Rebecca dies 1915.I have their marriage certificate and all it says is father a George Harvey blacksmith. No Mothers name, no siblings although a William Harvey is a witness with Ann Rudkin on the 1893 marriage certificate maybe an uncle, brother or grandfather ??? So in one census he says Staffordshire and the next he says Yorkshire?
I know George is the son of William Harvey a blacksmith from Oldbury and he married Eliza Trowmans, so I just need to tie in my James with George and Eliza.
Any help will be appreciated.

Hello and welcome to the forum.

We have all been helping with this family recently. Eliza Tromans is the illegitimate daughter of Ann Tromans who then married Thomas Daniels - they are on the BCC tree here http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =967286845
I have been tracing the Harvey family personally and think that George may tie up to this family here http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections, but there is a lot more work to be done first

So this is the marriage

Marriage 09 Mar 1862 - St Thomas, Dudley, By Banns
George Harvey (X), Min, B, Blacksmith of Dudley, Father William Harvey, Blacksmith
Eliza Trowmans (X), Min of Dudley - No father is mentioned
Wit : Phebe Knowles (X) and Jonah Knowles (X


and this is the census for 1871

1871: Park Street, Oldbury, Staffs
George Harvey 29 Head Blacksmith
Eliza Harvey 27 Wife Rowley Regis
William Harvey 9 Son Rowley Regis
Albert Harvey 5 Son
Joseph Harvey 2 Son
(others born Oldbury)

then he remarried didnt he
Eliza died
and there is not James on the 1881

so do we have James on census in 1881?
I forget.....

is there a birth certif you have for James?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =332404985

I think Eliza dies in 1877

and then we can't find them in 1881

and looks to me like George remarries a Clara

Jimmy found one in 1891 a James in Yorkshire?

Until that birth certif is looked at I think we are stuck

if george got married again where did the other chidren go

Marriage 09 Mar 1862 - St Thomas, Dudley, By Banns
George Harvey (X), Min, B, Blacksmith of Dudley, Father William Harvey, Blacksmith
Eliza Trowmans (X), Min of Dudley - No father is mentioned
Wit : Phebe Knowles (X) and Jonah Knowles (X

KNOWLES Jonah TROWMAN Phebe 1860 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/019/118

peterd wrote:

Marriage 09 Mar 1862 - St Thomas, Dudley, By Banns
George Harvey (X), Min, B, Blacksmith of Dudley, Father William Harvey, Blacksmith
Eliza Trowmans (X), Min of Dudley - No father is mentioned
Wit : Phebe Knowles (X) and Jonah Knowles (X

KNOWLES Jonah TROWMAN Phebe 1860 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/019/118

we have them on BCC here

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =696865791

Phebe is sister to Ann tromans mother of Eliza tromans

Clara Wycherley is NOT the second wife of our George Harvey. She was born in 1848 in Handsworth Staffs and he was born in Liverpool in 1847. Married in 1878 Tipton. George was a gasfitter in 1881 and a hair dresser in 1891 and 1901.. All on Bolstridge info.com
So Clara Parkes is more likely the one. Married 1880 Dudley west

HarvAdel wrote:Clara Wycherley is NOT the second wife of our George Harvey. She was born in 1848 in Handsworth Staffs and he was born in Liverpool in 1847. Married in 1878 Tipton. George was a gasfitter in 1881 and a hair dresser in 1891 and 1901.. All on Bolstridge info.com
So Clara Parkes is more likely the one. Married 1880 Dudley west

Agreed
think we discounted that one
we have the other one down for a look up

the familyon th1891 cenus do not belong to george havey because frank harvey was born in 1876

westbromval wrote:the familyon th1891 cenus do not belong to george havey because frank harvey was born in 1876

how do you know?
do you have the birth certif for Frank
or him on the indexes?

do you know who his mother is?

could be Eliza Tromans

Deaths Jun 1877
HARVEY Eliza 33 W. Bromwich 6b 451



1878
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PARKES Edwin Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/59/86

Poss 2nd marriage tbc...1880. HARVEY George, PARKES Clara, Dudley, St Thomas, Dudley Register Office. 204/035/400.


1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
HARVEY Herbert Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/62/298

1891. Titford Road, Oldbury.
George Harvey 47. Blacksmith.
Clara Harvey 43.
Frank Harvey 14.
Edwin Harvey 12.
Herbert Harvey 10.
Olive Harvey 8. Langley.
Pheobe Harvey 4.
Arthur Harvey 2.
Samuel Harvey 9/12.

Others born Oldbury.

franks mother is clara wycherely

westbromval wrote:franks mother is clara wycherely

How do you know?

that marrige doesnt fit that lot on census and we have discounted that 1891 lot with Frank as
not the Whycherley one

as they are on census with a whycherley connec in census

you have documentation?

this could be Frank
age bit out on census

1879
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PARKES Frank Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/61/93



1891. Titford Road, Oldbury.
George Harvey 47. Blacksmith.
Clara Harvey 43.
Frank Harvey 14.
Edwin Harvey 12.
Herbert Harvey 10.
Olive Harvey 8. Langley.
Pheobe Harvey 4.
Arthur Harvey 2.
Samuel Harvey 9/12.

Others born Oldbury.

The Wycherley one is here
not a blacksmith
and
not the rite place of birth
so not the one on 1891


1878
HARVEY George WYCHERLEY Clara Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/13/335.

Could this marriage be for this one,
1871. Toll End, Tipton.
Thomas Wycherley 48. Fitter.
Eliza Wycherley 52.
Anne Wycherley 24.
Clara Wycherley 22. Handsworth.
Thomas Wycherley 11.

1881. Dudley St,
George Harvey 34. Liverpool. Gas Fitter.
Clara Harvey 33. Handsworth.
Edith Harvey 3.
Elizabeth Harvey 1.
George H. Harvey 2 mon.

1891. Tipton.
George Harvey 44. Liverpool.
Clara Harvey 41. Handsworth.
Ely Harvey 11.
George Harvey 10.