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This is doing my head in!

What i know:

Hammond Hall b 1897 married, Jessie Rose Higgs.
Hammond's father was also called Hammond b 1872
His father was Samuel Hall b 1841 Smethwick - Engine Fitter married Elizabeth (Betsy Jackson) - Wedding From IGI

Thats all fine and I have no problems until:

Samuel's (1841) parents were Samuel Hall b 1818 Smethwick and Lettitia Betts b 1819 who married in Saint Martin Birmingham May 7 1837 - The witnesses were Robert Powell and Robert Hall.
Samuel (1818) also remarried a Jane ??? after his first wifes death.


Questions:

1 Who is Robert Hall as a Witness?
2 What is Jane's Surname - Ive ruled out one possibility of Webster.
3 In 1871, there is another Hall family living next door to Samuel and Jane - who are they? - NOW SORTED
4 Also in 1871, there is an Abel Hal living with Samuel (1841) and Jane - who is he? - NOW SORTED
5 There is another Samuel Hall b 1827 Smethwick (from IGI) and I dont know where he fits in - if at all!

If anyone could be of any help, id be grateful
Andrew

i know it a bit out of tthe area but

HALL Samuel BROADHURST Jane 1846 Newcastle, St Giles Staffordshire Newcastle-Under-Lyme C22/1/314

where was jane born in census ?

Jane born Tipton, Staffordshire, England ...

The marriage of Samuel to Jane was between 1851 and 1861 proved in the census

Thanks anyway though

Sorted 3 and 4 - it was a hall hall marriage! HMMMMMM!

Still need help with the others please

Me thinks Jane is this lady.

Her marriage to Samuel was her second.

Name: Jane Hodson
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 24 Apr 1831
Baptism/Christening Place: Bloxwich, Stafford, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Hodson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03130-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1278869
Reference Number: item 5 p 186
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

This is Samuel and Jane's marriage.

Groom's Name: Samuel Hall
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Jane Pettinger
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 17 Sep 1857
Marriage Place: Haxey, Lincoln, England
Groom's Father's Name: Samuel Hall
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Thomas Hodson
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Widowed
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02908-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1450397
Reference Number: item 1
Collection: England Marriages, 1538-1973

Lets see if I can find her first.....

Mmmm...can't seem to find a Hodson - Pettinger marriage....

Anyway, I beleive this will get a bit further back on the Hall family....

Name: Samuel Hall
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 29 Dec 1816
Baptism/Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Joseph Hall
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01024-3
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 497351
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

These are his potential siblings, all children of Joseph and Ann.

Name: Moses Hall
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Nov 1806
Baptism/Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND

Name: William Hall
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Dec 1810
Baptism/Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND

Name: James Hall
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 24 May 1812
Baptism/Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND

Name: Sarah Hall
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 25 Sep 1814
Baptism/Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND

Name: John Hall
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 08 Aug 1819
Baptism/Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND

Name: Ann Hall
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Dec 1821
Baptism/Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND

Name: Phoebe Hall
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 Oct 1823
Baptism/Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND

Name: Jane Hall
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Oct 1825
Baptism/Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND

Name: Joseph Hall
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 27 Jan 1828
Baptism/Christening Place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND

MarkCDodd wrote:Me thinks Jane is this lady.

This is Samuel and Jane's marriage.

Groom's Name: Samuel Hall
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Jane Pettinger
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 17 Sep 1857
Marriage Place: Haxey, Lincoln, England
Groom's Father's Name: Samuel Hall
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Thomas Hodson
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Widowed
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02908-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1450397
Reference Number: item 1
Collection: England Marriages, 1538-1973

Lets see if I can find her first.....

Thanks mark - should have been samuels 2nd too though?
And why would the marriage have been in lincoln if they were both born in staffs?

You go where the jobs are. Lincolnshire shares many registration districts with Yorkshire.

You wouldn't worry about a Staffordshire lad moving to Yorkshire would you?

Hmmm might have to check the certificate then.

Everything else fits but its should be his 2n marriage too

Thanks for the help - I think there may be a marriage of cousins here!

Adding for reference:

1851:

View Updates 84 James Hall Head 36 abt 1815 Male W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
View Updates 84 Ann Hall Wife 37 abt 1814 Female Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England
View Updates 84 James Hall Son 34 abt 1817 Male W Pararwich, Staffordshire, England
Add Update 84 Jane Hull Daughter 11 abt 1840 Female W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Add Update 84 Abel Hull Son 6 abt 1845 Male W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Add Update 84 Emma Hull Daughter 6 abt 1845 Female W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Add Update 84 Samuel Hull Son 2 abt 1849 Male W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Add Update 84 Thomas Hull Son 2 MO abt 1851 Male W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Living next door to:

Add Update 85 Joseph Hall Head 56 abt 1795 Male W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Add Update 85 Ann Hall Wife 57 abt 1794 Female W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Add Update 85 Mary Ann Hall Daughter 21 abt 1830 Female W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Add Update 85 Harriet Hall Granddaughter 17 abt 1834 Female W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England


1841:
Add Update Joseph Hall 48 abt 1793 Male add Staffordshire England
Add Update Ann Hall 48 abt 1793 Female add Staffordshire England
Add Update Ann Hall 19 abt 1822 Female add Staffordshire England
Add Update Jane Hall 15 abt 1826 Female add Staffordshire England
Add Update Joseph Hall 13 abt 1828 Male add Staffordshire England
Add Update Maryann Hall 11 abt 1830 Female add Staffordshire England

MarkCDodd wrote:You go where the jobs are. Lincolnshire shares many registration districts with Yorkshire.

You wouldn't worry about a Staffordshire lad moving to Yorkshire would you?

Checked the certficate - still says Samuel is a Batchelor
The age is just listed as "Full Age"

Hi father is Samuel Hall, but listed as farmer

Im not convinced....

can be archived!