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*Archive?* 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:20 pm
by ellie
Ann Jane Birks 1901
Hello, could someone please do a look up for the following, really struggling to find this family in 1901, its asthough they've vanished into thin air!
Ann Jane Birks (1851) all bornLongton Staffordshire England
Wife Of William Birks deceased 1899
Children :-
John Thomas 1878 ( we think by this time he's married and living in the stoke on trent area)
George Baptist Birks 1883
Florence 1886
Maud 1889
Annie, christened Anna 1892
in 1891 they are living at 24 Lovatt Street, Longton Stoke On Trent, Staffs.
Thanks for your help
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:38 pm
by Jimmy
Hi Ellie,
Have you checked this family out, looks close,
1901. 12 Locketts Lane, Longton.
William Perkins 62. Coal miner.
Ann J Perkins 50.
John Perkins 21. Son.
George Perkins 18. Son.
Florrie Perkins 15. Dau.
Maud Perkins 10. Dau.
Annie Perkins 8. Dau.
Thomas Lockett 72. Widow. Boarder.
All born Longton.
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:41 pm
by mallosa
Posting the full census info to see if there are any clues...
1891: 24 Lovatt Street, Longton
William Birks 52 Head Coalminer
Ann Jane Birks 40 Wife Potters Wheel Turner
Sarah A Firmey 16 Step Dau Potters Warehousewoman
John T Birks 12 Son Potters Jigger wheel turner
George B Birks 7 Son
Florence Birks 5 Dau
Maud Birks 1 Dau
Lewis Lockett 30 Brother in law M Butcher
Sarah J Lockett 19 Sister in Law M Potters Warehousewoman
(all born Longton)
1881: 8 York Street, Longton, Stoke on Trent
William Birks 42 Coal Miner
Ann Jane Birks 29
Eliza Finney 9 Step Dau
Sarah Ann Finney 6 Step Dau
John Thos. Birks 3 Son
Annie Birks 6 mths Dau
Lewis Lockett 22 Brother U Potters Ovenman
(all born Longton)
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:44 pm
by Jimmy
Hi Mally,
The name Lockett looks good.
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:49 pm
by ellie
hi and thanks. Jimmy I don't think the Perkins one is the right record, although the ages etc are uncanily alike 
, thank you for looking.
Ann Jane was married twice, her maiden name was Lockett (I believe her father was named James), She married a Charles Finney amd after he died she Married william Birks in 1878. Any ideas greatly appreciated 
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:58 pm
by mallosa
Jimmy wrote:Hi Ellie,
Have you checked this family out, looks close,
1901. 12 Locketts Lane, Longton.
William Perkins 62. Coal miner.
Ann J Perkins 50.
John Perkins 21. Son.
George Perkins 18. Son.
Florrie Perkins 15. Dau.
Maud Perkins 10. Dau.
Annie Perkins 8. Dau.
Thomas Lockett 72. Widow. Boarder.
All born Longton.
Everything seems to fit Ellie, could the name Perkins have been a transcription error?
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:00 pm
by ellie
Looking at the original record it is clearly written as Perkins. Why would the family call themselves by another name? I admit it is very odd that the ages are close.
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:04 pm
by Jimmy
I would say after all the years I have been doing this, that it is a perfect match.
I am not saying that William Birks is William Perkins.
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:07 pm
by peterd
ellie wrote:Looking at the original record it is clearly written as Perkins. Why would the family call themselves by another name? I admit it is very odd that the ages are close.
might be worth finding marriage and send for cert ?
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:13 pm
by Jimmy
She may not have married William Perkins,
Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1901. (Sep)
BIRKS Ann J. RIDGE James. Longton, St John the Baptist. Stoke-On-Trent 19/04/096.
BIRKS Annie. LOVATT James. Longton, St James. Stoke-On-Trent 18/6/201.
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:15 pm
by mallosa
ellie wrote:hi and thanks. Jimmy I don't think the Perkins one is the right record, although the ages etc are uncanily alike , thank you for looking.
Ann Jane was married twice, her maiden name was Lockett (I believe her father was named James), She married a Charles Finney amd after he died she Married william Birks in 1878. Any ideas greatly appreciated
Looks like her father was
Thomas Ellie ...
1871: 14 Lovatt Street, LongtonThomas Lockett 41 Head M Coal MinerSarah Lockett 27 Wife M Burslem
Thomas Lockett 20 Son
Lewis Lockett 12 Son
George Lockett 9 Son
Samuel Lockett 5 Son
William Lockett 2 Son
George Lockett 69 Father M Coalminer (not at work)
Maria Lockett 68 Mother
Charles Finney 22 Son in Law M
Ann Jane Finney 17 Dau MHarriet Finney 3 Months Grd Dau
(others born Longton)
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:21 pm
by mallosa
Marriages Dec 1869
CHALLINER Sarah Stoke T. 6b 340
COLLEY John Stoke T. 6b 340
FINNEY Charles Stoke T. 6b 340
LOCKETT Ann Jane Stoke T 6b 340
Marriage 1869
LOCKETT Ann J FINNEY Charles Longton, St James Stoke-On-Trent 18/4/011.
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:27 pm
by ellie
Jimmy wrote:I would say after all the years I have been doing this, that it is a perfect match.I am not saying that William Birks is William Perkins.
I'm not in any way critising you. Im interested to know where william perkins fits in.. i have sucessfully found a marriage for ann jane & William Birks
Name: Ann Jane Finney
[Ann Jane Lockett]
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1850
Age: 28
Father's Name: Thomas Lockett
Spouse's name: William Birk
Spouse's Age: 36
Marriage Date: 13 Apr 1878
Marriage Place: Longton, Staffordshire, England
thanks for your help
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:29 pm
by Maths girl
Given that William Birks is said my Ellie to have died in 1899 we would not expect him to be on the 1901 census.
The face that a widow with that many children would be with another man less than two years later is nothing surprising -- married or not.
Re: 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:54 pm
by cid
With her daughter?? So whoever William Perkins was is doesn't look like she married him.
1911 59 Newhall Road Longton Stoke-On-Trent
BURGUESS, Samuel Head Married M 27 1884 Potters Glost Placer Staffs Longton
BURGUESS, Florence Wife Married 5 years F 24 1887 None Staffs Stoke on Trent
BURGUESS, John Son M 4 1907 None Staffs Longton
BURGUESS, Ann Jane Daughter F 3 1908 Staffs Longton
BURGUESS, May Daughter F 4 1907 Staffs Longton
BIRKS, Ann Jane Relative Widow F 60 1851 None Staffs Longton
BIRKS, Annie Relative Single F 18 1893 Potters Transferer Staffs Longton
BURGUESS, Frank Visitor Single M 24 1887 Potters Kyln Man Staffs Longton