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*Arc tbc* ---Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:43 am
by mumbles
I have added :-
A George Woodbridge born 1806 marrying an Ann Unknown born Halesowen and marrying again an Isaac Short after death of George
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =890755913
Rosegarden has :- a George Woodbridge marrying an Ann Rose but shows Ann as dying in 1859

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =515985357

If one looks at Census details in 1851 for Isaac and Ann Short there is a Visitor Moses Rose aged 24 Farmer born Halesowen Worcs.
Then look at siblings of Ann Rose and there is a Moses Rose born 1818 Halesowen

Some of ages do not tie up but might be worth looking at

Re: Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:00 am
by mumbles
Must be same Ann Rose as no death of an Ann Woodbridge in 1859 West Bromwich but a death of Ann Short in 1859 West Bromwich.

Re: Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:24 am
by gardener
1841
High St, West Bromwich
George Woodbridge 35 butcher
Ann Woodbridge 35
Charlotte Woodbridge 3
Harriet Woodbridge 1
Joseph Gordon 15 J? butcher
John Woodbridge 15 ditto
Ann Worrall 15 FR

Matilda is not there but seems to have been off at boarding school so I think it fits. :-)

Re: Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:00 pm
by dianel
Isaac appears to have gone on to marry an Emma...

1861
At High St., West Bromwich
Isaac Short Head 48 Master Butcher b. Staffs., Sedgley
Emma Short Wife 40 b. Middlesex, London
James Short Son 12 Scholar b. Staffs., West Bromwich
George Woodbridge Visitor/son-in-law 15 Butcher b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Caleb Griffiths Apprentice 18 Apprentice b. Worcs., Oldbury
Sophia Davis Servant 21 House Servant b. Staffs., Wolverhampton

1871
At High St., West Bromwich
Isaac Short Head 58 Butcher b. Staffs., Sedgley
Emma Short Wife 48 Butcher b. Middlesex, St. Pancras
George H Short Son 8 Scholar b. Staffs., West Bromwich
John Smith Servant 25 Servant Man b. Staffs., West Bromwich
James Poulton Servant 15 Servant Man b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Margaram Westwood Servant 20 Domestic Servant b. Staffs., West Bromwich

1881
At 201 High St., West Bromwich
Isaac Short Head 68 Butcher - Master b. Staffs., Sedgley
Emma Short Wife 59 b. London
George H. Short Son 18 Butcher b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Jane Allen Servant 20 Gen. Servant b. Worcs., Oldbury
William Leek Servant 20 Man Servant/Butcher's Assistant b. Staffs., West Bromwich

Re: Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:03 pm
by dianel
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
Isaac Short 1860 West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Emma Turner 1860 West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

Re: Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:02 pm
by grangers14
1851. High Street, West Bromwich
Isaac Short, head, 35, Butcher, Sedgley
Ann, wife, 39, Halesowen
Matilda Woodbridge, step daur, 17, Wifes daughter, Halesowen
Charlotte Woodbridge, step daur, 13, Wifes daughter, Halesowen
Hanil? Woodbridge, step daur, 11, Wifes daughter
Sophia Woodbridge, step daur, 6, Wifes daughter
George Woodbridge, step son, 5, Wifes son
William Short, son, 6 months,
Charles Vaughan? visitor, 29, Blacksmith, Salop
Moses Rose, visitor, 24, Farmer, Halesowen
William ?uk? assistant, 18, butchers apprentice
All others born West Bromwich

Re: Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:27 pm
by grangers14
Seems like
Death of George,
George Woodbridge 1846 West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

Free BMD
Marriages Sep 1847
Carben Stephen Birmingham 16 371
Heafield Joshua Birmingham 16 371
PINFIELD William Birmingham 16 371
SHORT Isaac Birmingham 16 371
Smith Elizabeth Birmingham 16 371
Swift Fanny Birmingham 16 371
TROTH Hannah Birmingham 16 371
WOODBRIDGE Ann Birmingham 16 371

Re: Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:01 pm
by grangers14
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
Isaac Short 1860 West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Emma Turner 1860 West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1860
SHORT Isaac TURNER Emma West Bromwich, All Saints Sandwell Register Office 22/9/66

Re: Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:27 pm
by grangers14
1861
At High St., West Bromwich
Isaac Short Head 48 Master Butcher b. Staffs., Sedgley
Emma Short Wife 40 b. Middlesex, London
James Short Son 12 Scholar b. Staffs., West Bromwich
George Woodbridge Visitor/son-in-law 15 Butcher b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Caleb Griffiths Apprentice 18 Apprentice b. Worcs., Oldbury
Sophia Davis Servant 21 House Servant b. Staffs., Wolverhampton


James is missing on the 1851 census.
This may be him?
1851. Moor Street, West Bromwich
William Clemson? head, 41, Ma?
May? wife, 43? Salop
Jane, daur, 18, Dress Maker
Samuel, son, 16, Erand boy
Mary Ann, daur, 14,
James Short, Visitor, 2
Phobe Clemson?, Lodger W, 76,
All others West Bromwich

1841. Broomford, West Bromwich
William Clemson, 30, Moulder
Mary, 30,
Mary Ann, 4,
Samuel, 6,
Jane, 8
/John, 75, Labourer,
Phebe, 65,
Betsey, 30, Ind
All born County

Re: Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:40 am
by mumbles
I think the original possible connection is good but Rosegarden should be contacted as connects to her.
The dates she has put for Death of George Woodbridge and Ann tie up even if death is shown as Woodbridge by Rosegarden and is actually Ann Short

Re: Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:20 am
by Northern Lass
Have merged the two looks good to me

will email RG too

this looks like marriage

Is John the son of Ann Rose or not?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =726844039


GEORGE WOODBRIDGE
Marriages:
Spouse: ANN ROSE
Marriage: 07 JAN 1833 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, Extracted

Re: *Arc tbc* ---Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:10 pm
by mumbles
I wondered that myself and if John Underhill Woodbridge is a relative rather than son of George and Ann

Re: *Arc tbc* ---Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:09 pm
by Northern Lass
Hmmm think we need to sort out who he is
and disconnect if needs be.....is that 1841 correct?

Re: *Arc tbc* ---Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:45 pm
by Rosegarden
Hi all :-)

Just had a quick look at my notes,and yes Ann marries Isaac Short.

George died 20 Nov 1846 High St West Brom.
I have another son for Isaac and Ann,James SHORT b 1849 W Brom

I also have George Taylor Woodbridge b 29 Aug 1845 m Ann Bilham b 13 Nov 1846 in Norfolk m 21 Feb 1867.

Not sure who John Woodbridge connects to :?

Re: *Arc tbc* ---Possible Rose/Woodbridge/Short Connection

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:13 pm
by Rosegarden
I also have Matilda Woodridge m William Evans 21 Aug 1851 Aston B ham
and Harriet Woodridge m William Cotterell 19 April 1860.Aston B ham

These were on the notes i have from Steve Cullen.