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I would like to introduce myself

I joined a few days ago

I lived in Rowley Regis for until I got married and I've lived in Dudley since ever since

I am connected to the Cole family

David Cole b. abt. 1789 Rowley Regis was my gt gt gt gt grandfather

He married Charlotte Troman b. 1789 Rowley Regis (my 4times gt gran)

I am descended from Louisa Cole b. 1810 Rowley Regis who was sister of Sabra Cole b. abt 1826 Gosty Hill

I also have a connection through Sabra's husband Samuel Tromans b. 1821 Netherton

Their son Isaac Tromans b. 1854 Waterfall Lane married Phoebe Wharton b. 1853 Cockshuts, Halesowen. She was sister to my gt gran Elizabeth Wharton b. 1854 Cockshuts, Halesowen who was married to my gt grandad Thomas Cole b. 1854 Waterfall Lane

I have seen Sabra mentioned on this site

I have more info on Sabra's other siblings and a newspaper cutting of David Cole's tragic death if anyone's interested.

Hi boz welcome to the site!

Ok well this looks real good info let's get it on the Connections site too!

Can you give us the line to put on and connections ie son dau father of those you mention so I know who to join em up to on the tree

ooooh more connections ...

think this is the topic boz is on about

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=380

and here bcc link

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =605343634

nice one Pete so we just need to add this lot to that lot!

is it Weston or Wharton for Pheobe but of course on the site if Wharton it is Whorton!


can we check that marriage what surname it is?

Ok think this needs clarifying confused

We have this marriage..
1878
TROMANS Isaac WESTON Phoebe Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/001/343

but then there is this one..

1872
WORTON Phoebe DAY John Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office 202/006/228

So did Isaac marry Phebe Weston? and not Wharton/Whorton/Worton

found this

Marriages Dec 1878

Tromans Isaac Stourbridge
WERTON Phoebe Stourbridge


is this causing the confusion is poss weston but mistaken for worton


this is census isaac and pheobe

Isaac TROMAN 26 Waterfall Lane Rowley Regis, Stafford, Chain Maker
Phoebe TROMAN Wife 27 Cockshutts Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Charlotte TROMAN Daur 18 m Malt Mill Lane Halesowen, Worcester,
John WHESTON Boarder 19 Malt Mill Lane Halesowen, Worcester, Bricklayers Laborer

john weston brother?

if some one could find john weston/wheston c 1862 Halesowen in 1871 census see if there a phoebe with him born 1854 cockshutts ?

is this phoebe ? and sisters


PHOEBE WORTON
Christening: 03 DEC 1855 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: EDWARD WORTON
Mother: HANNAH


ELIZABETH WORTON
Christening: 03 DEC 1855 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: EDWARD WORTON
Mother: HANNAH

poss marriage

THOMAS COLE.............Husband Age 19
ELIZABETH WHARTON....Wife Age 19
Marriage: 01 JUN 1873 Halesowen, Worcester,




MARY WORTON
Christening: About 03 DEC 1855 Halesowen, Worcester,


Father: EDWARD WORTON
Mother: HANNAH

poss death not on 1861 census

WORTON Mary 1855 - Halesowen West Midlands

any one pick up this family in the 1861 census ?

Edward Worton nailer RR 1829
Hannah 1825
Pheobe 1852
Elizabeth 1854
Sarah 1857
John 1861
All born RR living in Black Heath

thanks rg

this is a poss marriage for edward and hannah ?

WHERTON Edward HIPKISS Ann 1848 Dudley, St Thomas

here it is on bcc


http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =314857423

here phoebe and john day 1881 census

5 Court 5 Tipton, Stafford

John DAY 31 Netherton, Worcester, England Coal Miner
Phoebe DAY 29 Tipton, Stafford, England
Joseph DAY 8 Tipton, Stafford, England Scholar
Sarah DAY 4 Tipton, Stafford, England Scholar
John DAY 2 Tipton, Stafford, England

My connection to Phoebe Wharton (sister to my gt gran Elizabeth Wharton)

I found this marriage at the archives some time ago

I know it was difficult sometimes with the writing but I did fit her in with christenings and her parents names.

On the 1881 census disc I have they had transcribed her brother as John Wheston instead of Wharton.

On Free BMD she is down as Phoebe Werton

I have Wharton spelt as Warton, Worton, Whorton, Werton and Wherton.

The marriage record I've got is

26 Dec 1878 St Pauls, Blackheath

Isaac Tromans Occ. Chainmaker Blackheath Father Samuel Occ Chainmaker

Phoebe Wharton ( not sure which spelling was used) Occ. Nailer The Hill, Halesowen Father Edward (Dec)

Witnesses Eli & Ann Mogg

Ann Mogg was nee Ann Andrews who was sister to the husband of Sarah Wharton who was one of Phoebe's other sisters

Chris

Phoebe TROMAN Wife 27 Cockshutts Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
John WHESTON Boarder 19 Malt Mill Lane Halesowen, Worcester, Bricklayers Laborer



1861 CENSUS

Edward Worton nailer RR 1829
Hannah 1825


Pheobe 1852
John 1861
All born RR living in Black Heath


these also roughly match what would be the best way to prove who phobe is is to get both marriage checked phoebe worton and phoebe weston to see if both there father are edward if only the phoebe that married isaac is an edward then presume that phoebe worton


if this is a wrong transcript

1878
TROMANS Isaac WESTON Phoebe Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office

if it should be worton

then we need to find

1872
WORTON Phoebe DAY John Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office

might help if some one can find a phoebe worton c 1852 in 1861 census who married john day

I agree Peterd

boz stick it on the look ups

We cant add to Phoebe with a hubby till we bottom this

My feeling is that cos of that John Westen in 1881 it it Pheobe Weston who marries Isaac Tromans but we need proof

Poss
1861
149
Waleny? Lane, Tipton
Betsey A Worton 11
John Worton 30 - Coalminer
Matilda Worton 29
Matilda Worton 4
Phebe Worton 9
Sarah Worton 1
All born Tipton

Pete
Isaac TROMAN 26 Waterfall Lane Rowley Regis, Stafford, Chain Maker
Phoebe TROMAN Wife 27 Cockshutts Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Charlotte TROMAN Daur 18 m Malt Mill Lane Halesowen, Worcester,
John WHESTON Boarder 19 Malt Mill Lane Halesowen, Worcester, Bricklayers Laborer

Dates off for John tho
1871
6 Court 1, Park Lane, Tipton
John Worton 40
John Worton 15
Joseph Worton 8
Mary Worton 1
Matilda Worton 39
Matilda Worton 13
Pheobe Worton 18
Sarah Worton 11