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Is this Abner Smith a shoemaker
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =884888084

the same as this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =773432368

son is James Henry who marries in 1881

JAMES HENRY SMITH.
Christening, 06 APR 1859, Cradley, Worcester.
Parents:
ABNER SMITH.
SOPHIA.

ABNER SMITH.
SOPHIA WOODWARD.
Marriage, 30 JUL 1850, Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick.


1861. Mushroom, Dudley.
Abner Smith 53. Shoemaker. Rowley.
Sophia Smith 43. Worcester.
Charles Woodward 21. Son in law. Worcester.
Leonard Woodward 15. Son in law. Worcester.
Ker Smith 4. Son. Dudley.
James Smith 2. Son. Dudley.

So not the same Abner as the 1830 one
but could be his Uncle
and bro to Samuel?

is there a bapt for Abner pls

and going to flag for help adding this

Can't see one.

I've added more census info (haven't finished yet) here

This looks like Abner but I wonder if he is related to Joynes family?

1891: 2 Scholding Green Road, Rowley Regis
Same (Saml on image) Joynes 40 Head Fireman (Ironworks) Gloucester
Sarah Joynes 45 Wife Dudley, Worc
Same (Saml) Joynes 16 Son Hairdresser Apprentice Rowley, Staffs
Joseph Joynes 6 Son Rowley Regis
Abner Smith 84 Lodger Wdwr Living on his own means K.N Staffs

mixing things a bit but if I dont get it down, I'll forget....

We know that Abner was married before...

(Extracted)
ABNER SMITH
Spouse: ELIZABETH TROWMAN
Marriage: 28 OCT 1830 St Martin, Birmingham, Warwick

1841: Dudley Wood, Dudley, Worc
Abner Smith 30 Waterman (not born in county)
Elizabeth Smith 25
John Smith 5
William Smith 5
Joseph Smith 3
Lucy Smith 1
also living with them but not transcribed as such....
Nancy Trowman 60 Ind (not born in county)


and this looks like Sophie before her marriage to Abner...

1841: Victoria Place, St Martin, Worc
Sophia Woodward 20 Governess
Eleanor Woodward 6
Emma Woodward 4
Charles Woodward 2
(all born in county)

are these her children?

Can someone have a look to see what they think Ref: HO 107/1209/12

Without a look at that marriage of abner and sophia we don't know if she is a wid
there are a couple of poss bapts for a charles and emily

I have amended her name to Sophia unknown

I've made a note of that marriage and next time i'm at Birmingham Archives, I'll have a look

Ok shall we archive this pending then

Yep, go ahead