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Hello
I sent an email to the BCC site and got a nice reply from Jan, who referred me back here. My family tree on my father's mother's side is firmly rooted in Derbyshire, in the village of Belper, with the occupations being nail making. But I recently found an ancestor saying she was born in Dudley. I found her as a child, living in Dudley, with parents who say they were born in Dudley, and who were also horse nail makers.

Judging by the other threads I have come across on here, you may not be surprised to hear that the family name was Hadley. However, despite the many many Hadleys listed on BCC, I seem to have a new batch - although I cannot trace them very far so they may well be linked to other Hadleys on BCC. This is what I know about them...

Sarah Hadley (c.1843). In the 1851 census she is living at Old Mill, Dudley with parents William Hadley (c.1820) and Harriet (c.1819). By 1861 and again in 1871 they are living at St James Terrace, Dudley. Children that I have from the census records with approximate birth dates are: Sarah 1843, Emma 1846, Ephraim 1847, James 1850, Eliza 1852, Elizabeth 1854, Esther 1857. I believe William died in 1879. Harriet is widowed in the 1881 and 1891 census. Living at 5 Peel Street and 147 Salop Street respectively.

I am unable to find record of Sarah's birth, or the birth of any of the other children mentioned in the census. Nor can I find a marriage for William and Harriet. The only clue I have is that in the 1851 census, a chap called Samuel Worthy born Belper c.1787 was staying with the Hadleys. He is listed as "brother in law".

If this information is useful to anyone else then great. And if anyone else is able to suggest solutions as to who these people were, then even better. Thank you!

Hi Julian
glad you made it

this looks a good one to get stuck into

Well one to cross off is the marriage to Harriet Wakeman.
Ive just looked at the Claines marriages and William is a Miller so not that one!
The 1851 census is odd really.
Samuel Worthy is 66 so a little old to be brother in Law?
George Worthy 32 and John Worthy as grandson 16. All from Belper.

1851. Old Mill. Dudley.
William Hadley 31. Horsenail maker.
Harriet Hadley 32.
Sarah Hadley 8.
Emma Hadley 5.
Ephraim Hadley 4.
James Hadley 1.
Saml Worthy 66. Horsenail maker. Belper, Derby.
Geo Worthy 32. Horsenail maker. Belper, Derby.
John Worthy 16. Grand son, Horsenail maker. app. Belper, Derby.

All others born Dudley.

Possible births?? A few others that are possible so may be pick a name and check with the office to see if its the right parents before you buy?

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1842
HADLEY Sarah Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/015/456

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1843
HADLEY Sarah Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/018/351

Other names...
West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1849
HADLEY Ephraim West Bromwich South West Sandwell Register Office WBSW/15/349

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1856
HADLEY Esther Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/063/12

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1859
HADLEY James Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/075/495

1841. Belper.
Samuel Worthy 50. Nailer.
Elizabeth Worthy 50.
Ruth Worthy 15.
John Worthy 5.

1861, St James Terrace, Dudley.
William Hadley 41.
Harriet Hadley 42.
Sarah Hadley 18.
Emma Hadley 16.
Ephraim Hadley 14.
James Hadley 12.
Eliza Hadley 9.
Elizabeth Hadley 7.
Esther Hadley 5.
Jacob Spencer 26. Visitor. Duffield, Derbyshire.

here

1881: 8 Peel Street, Dudley, Worcester

Ephraim HADLEY 34 Dudley, Worcester, Horse Nail Maker
Sarah HADLEY 34 Birmingham, Warwick,
Amy HADLEY 12 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar
Arthur HADLEY 10 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar
Annie HADLEY 2 Dudley, Worcester,
Emme HADLEY 9 m Dudley, Worcester,


poss married twice

HADLEY Ephraim BASSAGE Sarah G 1875 Oldswinford, St Mary West Midlands Dudley Register Office 003/010/339

HADLEY Ephraim JUKES Anne 1867 Dudley, St Andrew West Midlands Dudley Register Office 205/004/81




(poss brothers to ann ?)

next door

1881: 9 Peel Street, Dudley, Worcester

Thomas JEWKES 41 Dudley, Worcester, Nailer
Martha JEWKES 39 Dudley, Worcester,
Ben. JEWKES 21 Dudley, Worcester, Commercial Clerk
Betsy JEWKES 15 Dudley, Worcester, Dressmaker
Jane JEWKES 13 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar
Alice JEWKES 10 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar
Thomas JEWKES 6 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar



few doors up

1881: 4 Peel Street, Dudley, Worcester,

Samuel JEWKES 54 Dudley, Worcester, Iron Stone Miner
Harriet JEWKES 57 Tipton, Stafford,
Mary JEWKES 23 Dudley, Worcester,
Joseph JEWKES Boarder 36 Tipton, Stafford, Limestone Miner (Ore)

Poss Harriet a Spencer.. Elizabeth could be mother or sister..

Extracted
SAMUEL WORTHY
Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH SPENCER Family
Marriage: 28 JUL 1822 Duffield, Derby

Jimmy wrote:1861, St James Terrace, Dudley.
William Hadley 41.
Harriet Hadley 42.
Sarah Hadley 18.
Emma Hadley 16.
Ephraim Hadley 14.
James Hadley 12.
Eliza Hadley 9.
Elizabeth Hadley 7.
Esther Hadley 5.
Jacob Spencer 26. Visitor. Duffield, Derbyshire.

Gosh, you lot are good! Thank you.
I hadn't spotted there were three generations of Worthys visiting in 1851.
Nor had I spotted the Spencer link, which looks very possible.
So if Samuel Worthy was married to Elizabeth Spencer, then she cannot be William Hadley's sister.
Which leaves Harriet as the link to either Samuel or Elizabeth?

Sorry, I clicked submit too soon.
I can say for sure that:

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1843
HADLEY Sarah Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/018/351

is not the correct Sarah. I have seen that birth certificate and her parents were glass workers and had different names. But on the subject of birth certificates, how does one go about, "checking with the office to see if its the right parents before you buy"? I saw the application form you can post in on the West Midlands BMD website, and that you can add parent names, but you also have to include a cheque. If you pick the wrong person, do they hunt around for one that matches the parent names, or just not cash the cheque? Or can you call them to find out? How does it work?

Thank you
Julian

FarSide wrote:Poss Harriet a Spencer.. Elizabeth could be mother or sister..

Extracted
SAMUEL WORTHY
Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH SPENCER Family
Marriage: 28 JUL 1822 Duffield, Derby

Jimmy wrote:1861, St James Terrace, Dudley.
William Hadley 41.
Harriet Hadley 42.
Sarah Hadley 18.
Emma Hadley 16.
Ephraim Hadley 14.
James Hadley 12.
Eliza Hadley 9.
Elizabeth Hadley 7.
Esther Hadley 5.
Jacob Spencer 26. Visitor. Duffield, Derbyshire.

More on Jacob, poss helpful

1841
Lauerdel? Lane, Belper, Derbyshire
Thos Spencer 55 - Labourer
Elizabeth Spencer 50
Ellen Spencer 20 - Cotton Spin
Eliza Spencer 20 - Cotton Cardie
Thomas Spencer 15 - Nailer
Hannah Spencer 15- Cotton Spinner
Joseph Spencer 15 - Nailer
Mary Spencer 15 - Cotton Carder
Samuel Spencer 13 - Nailer
Isaac Spencer 12 - Nailer
Judith Spencer 10 - Cotton Carder
Jacob Spencer 8
Esther Spencer 7
all b in c

1851
Northfield, Dudley
Thomas Spencer 23 - Nailer
Ester Spencer 24
Sarah A Spencer 4
Mary Spencer 2
Firdenhand Spencer 20 - Lodger cousin - Unm - Nailer - b Belper Derbyshire
Jacob Spencer 17 - Lodger cousin - Unm - Nailer - b Belper Derbyshire
others b Dudley

iamjulian wrote:Sorry, I clicked submit too soon.
I can say for sure that:

West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1843
HADLEY Sarah Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/018/351

is not the correct Sarah. I have seen that birth certificate and her parents were glass workers and had different names. But on the subject of birth certificates, how does one go about, "checking with the office to see if its the right parents before you buy"? I saw the application form you can post in on the West Midlands BMD website, and that you can add parent names, but you also have to include a cheque. If you pick the wrong person, do they hunt around for one that matches the parent names, or just not cash the cheque? Or can you call them to find out? How does it work?

Thank you
Julian

I go online via the local councils where I can

if I am not sure and have a few to choose then I email the local regis office and
I have to say Dudley and Smethwick are excellent they will let me know which one to order if the
parents are such and such
I can then order online or in the post.

Thank you Jan, I have sent them an email to see if they can advise which to order.
Gosh, auto response says they will reply in 20 working days! they must get inundated.

let us know how you get on Julian

In the meantime I think we could add some of this
if anyone is bored pls do start to add ....