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Hi everyone,
Though I am a Brummie I hope you will not hold that against me!!. I have strong Black Country connections as my Mom was born in short heath, walsall, place called New Invention and I had lots of relations there.
I am stuck with a query on behalf of my son-in-laws family.
I have Mabel Trueman born Erdington/Aston on 1891c with William Trueman as father and Eliza (Derbyshire)as mother. checked that and confirmed. William is given as being born 1855 in Dudley Port.
Only tie-up I can make at the moment is to William and Ann Maria TRUMANS born 23/12/1853 christened 1857. Family search. I have checked Free BMD and the Tromans on the Tribal pages of your site. the only 1871c I can find is a William Tromans age 13 living with William and Elizabeth in Rowley Regis.
Has anyone any idea on how to proceed short of travelling to Rowley Regis or looking for Rowley Regis records stored at Dudley.
Hopefully
Mo.

1891
TRUEMAN, Wm Head Married M 36 1855 House Breaker
Dudley Port
TRUEMAN, Eliza Wife Married F 36 1855
Dudley Port
TRUEMAN, Lillian Daughter Single F 16 1875
Dudley Port
TRUEMAN, Annie A Daughter Single F 14 1877 Jewellery Solderer
Dudley Port
TRUEMAN, Mabel B Daughter Single F 0 (7M) 1891
Birmingham
BARKER, Coinford Boarder Widower M 27 1864 Press Worker
Dudley Port
3 House 11 Court, Mansfield Road, Aston, Aston Manor County:
Warwickshire

hi mureen and welcome to the forum


here the marriage it will give you there father names on cert

WILLIAM TRUMAN
ELIZA DERBYSHIRE
Marriage: 21 JUL 1873 Sedgley, Stafford

1881 Aston, Warwick,


William TRUEMAN 24 Dudley Port, Stafford, Bricklayer Laborer
Eliza TRUEMAN 23 Dudley Port, Stafford, Bricklayer Laborer Wife
Tilley TRUEMAN 6 Dudley Port, Stafford, Scholar
Annie TRUEMAN 4 Dudley Port, Stafford, Scholar
Comfort DERBYSHIRE Sister 18 Dudley Port, Stafford, Bullett Patcher
Martha DERBYSHIRE Aunt U 46 Bilston, Stafford, Housekeeper Dom
Paul FOULERTON Lodger 31 London, Middlesex, Metal Dipper
Mary TRUEMAN Visitor U 17 Dudley Port, Stafford, Dress Maker poss sister?

Thanks folks for the welcome and the information, Yes I do have the marriage of Mabel to Benjamin Darwin, age of bridge given as 22 on 3/08/1912 father given as William Trueman Provision Merchant so I know that the 1891 census ties up also the 1881 but it is getting proof of William to William and Ann Maria Trumans
Forgive me if I do not get back right away later on but my husband wants feeding. Cannot get him to get his priorities right!!!
regards
mo.

Mabel appears to be living with older sister Lily in 1911. Lily has her own shop.

William appears to be a milkman?? if it's the right one

1911
TRUEMAN, Lily Head Single F 36 1875 Grocer Dealers Dudley Port Bevenstead Sipton
TRUEMAN, Mabel Beatrice Sister Single F 20 1891 Assisting Hockley Maur
AIREY, Thomas Boarder Single M 52 1859 Erdington Cannal Workman Surrey Warwickshire

1 X3 Moor End Lane Erdington

Sep 1912
Darwin Benjamin M Trueman Aston 6d 573
Stanley Harry Staphens Aston 6d 573
STEPHENS Florence L A Stanley Aston 6d 573
TRUEMAN Mabel B Darwin Aston 6d 573

1901 106 Holly Lane Erdington Warwickshire
William Trueman h m 44 builders labourer b Dudley Worcs
Eliza Trueman wife m 43 b Dudley Worcs
Mabel Trueman dau 10 b Erdington Warks

1911 106 Holly Lane

TRUEMAN, William Head Married M 58 1853 Own Account Milkman Burnton Tipton
TRUEMAN, Eliza Wife Married F 57 1854 Burnton Tipton
SALL, Hilda Gladys Niece Single F 20 1891 Press Worker In Factory Aston Bham
DAWSON, Benjamin Maud Boarder Single M 22 1889 Clerk In Factory Aston Bham

rockyfowler wrote:Sep 1912
Darwin Benjamin M Trueman Aston 6d 573
Stanley Harry Staphens Aston 6d 573
STEPHENS Florence L A Stanley Aston 6d 573
TRUEMAN Mabel B Darwin Aston 6d 573

That 1911 looks like it's Benjamin Darwin not Dawson, what do you think RF?

rockyfowler wrote:1911
TRUEMAN, Lily Head Single F 36 1875 Grocer Dealers Dudley Port Bevenstead Sipton
TRUEMAN, Mabel Beatrice Sister Single F 20 1891 Assisting Hockley Maur
AIREY, Thomas Boarder Single M 52 1859 Erdington Cannal Workman Surrey Warwickshire

1 X3 Moor End Lane Erdington

that lilly could be tilly in 1881 age correct ?

witness to the wedding were Alfred Francis Jones and Hilda Gladys Salt which do not tie up withone else in the family.
Yes it is the correct one for 1911 I managed to find Mabel and Lily bu not William and I have his date of death as 1913 so he should be around somewhere! thanks for replies
regards
Mo

p.s yes I guessed Tilly to be Lillian. I gathered it would be Eliza Derbyshire as there was a Comfort Derbyshire on the 1881c down as sister in law and also another relative as Aunt.

Northern Lass wrote:

cid wrote:1911 106 Holly Lane

TRUEMAN, William Head Married M 58 1853 Own Account Milkman Burnton Tipton
TRUEMAN, Eliza Wife Married F 57 1854 Burnton Tipton
SALL, Hilda Gladys Niece Single F 20 1891 Press Worker In Factory Aston Bham
DAWSON, Benjamin Maud Boarder Single M 22 1889 Clerk In Factory Aston Bham

Ok so alive here
and Milkman/Provisions dealer

maureen41 wrote:witness to the wedding were Alfred Francis Jones and Hilda Gladys Salt which do not tie up withone else in the family.
Yes it is the correct one for 1911 I managed to find Mabel and Lily bu not William and I have his date of death as 1913 so he should be around somewhere! thanks for replies
regards
Mo

looks poss one of the witness was her Cousin ?