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Is it quite possible that 2 families with distinctive names living in the same district and not be related?

My family name I am researching is Toy, and I have managed to track them down to these places:

Stourbridge, Quinton, Ridgacre, Halesowen,

Now I'm not sure if these towns were the same place back in the mid 1800's - but I am finding multiple Toy's in that area that are not directly linked to my researched family.

Basically I am trying to find a father for William Toy b 1796 - but while I was looking I was coming up with Toy's born in 1840 in Stourbridge, which I never had + a William Toy b 1788 who obviously too young to be a father to my William, but he may have been a cousin or an uncle, as it's unlikely that a family will name 2 children by the same name.

If my family name was Jones then clearly I would have a cataclysmic nightmare - but Toy is not a very common name.

So is this your William then Nick
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =168356619

1861. Crock Street, Hill.
TOY,William,,head,M,M,41,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Hill.
TOY,Eliza,,wife,M,F,35,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Hill.
TOY,William,,son,,M,14,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Hill
TOY,Thomas,,son,,M,12,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Ridgeacre.
TOY,Jane,,dau,,F,9,,Scholar,WOR,Cakemore.
TOY,Edwin,,son,M,11m,WOR,Hill.

Next door.
TOY,William,,head,M,M,68,,Jobbing Smith,,,WOR,Ridgeacre.
TOY,Sarah,,wife,M,F,63,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Ridgeacre

so on the marriage of William and Eliza father is a blacksmith
so that could be his father b abt 1793

Jimmy has flagged the LDS site
on another thread you have re pre 1841 census
do you know of that site?

Just wondered who this William and Sarah are
there is a marriage in 1836 for a William Toy and Sarah

Is this the lot we had as Tay/Taye on another thread? or not?

On the 1841 both William Toy younger and Elder with Sarah are still at Crock Street

A possible.
WILLIAM TOY.
Christening: 28 MAY 1801, Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick.
Parents:
JOSEPH TOY.
ALLEY.

JOSEPH TAY.
ALICE WILKINSON.
Marriage: 03 OCT 1796, Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick.

WILLIAM TAY
Christening: 14 MAR 1790. Halesowen, Worcester.
Parents:
WILLIAM TAY.
ELIZABETH.

WILLIAM TOY.
BETTY WESTWOOD.
Marriage: 10 APR 1786. Halesowen, Worcester.

Northern Lass wrote:
Next door.
TOY,William,,head,M,M,68,,Jobbing Smith,,,WOR,Ridgeacre.
TOY,Sarah,,wife,M,F,63,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Ridgeacre.

WILLIAM TOY.
SARAH BIBB.
Marriage: 13 NOV 1836. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.

Possibles extracted.

William Toy.
Christening, 19 FEB 1819. Shropshire.
Parents:
William Toy.
Winifred Toy.

WILLIAM TAY.
WINEFRED FOLEY.
Marriage: 09 JUN 1818. Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick.

------------------------------------------

WILLIAM TOY.
Christening. 03 APR 1820, Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick.
Parents:
WILLIAM TOY.
ANN.

1851. they are in Crock St. indexed as Foy.
William Toy age 60. Jobbing Smith.
Sarah Toy. age 55 or 55.

NickToye wrote:Is it quite possible that 2 families with distinctive names living in the same district and not be related?

My family name I am researching is Toy, and I have managed to track them down to these places:

Stourbridge, Quinton, Ridgacre, Halesowen,

Hi Nick
I'm not sure if this has been suggested before or not...

there is a site which allows you to search for submitted records in the IGI, parish by parish. It can be found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... ughwallis/

If you have an idea of which parishes the Toy family can be found in then you can look and see if there are more entries there.

If you have the time to click through and see who the parents were for each baptism then you can put together family groups with parents and children. This gives an idea of how many families lived in that area and sometimes allows you to sort out naming patterns. For more common names I've sometimes put the names on a spreadsheet so that I could colour code the patterns I saw. You may find that the Toy-s are all related at some point but it could be way back in time.

I helped a group sorting out the Marsden family in Derbyshire, they all seemed to come from one or two men in the 16th C but by the 19th C some were well off business men and others were poor agricultural workers and had no connection with each other.

Just a quick look at Halesowen has a Wareing Toy and a Job Toy - bet they would be easy to pick up if used as names by different generations.

The same site also has a search facility for surnames as middle names - that can be useful to use for unusual surnames as you can pick up along female lines where the child is named after the mother/grandmother' s surname.

Hope that helps you

Wow, I'm really impressed by the interest shown here. I am at work so unable to do anything on this. Can't wait to get home and delve some more.

Thanks for everyone's input, really grateful.

Northern Lass wrote:1861. Crock Street, Hill.
TOY,William,,head,M,M,41,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Hill.
TOY,Eliza,,wife,M,F,35,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Hill.
TOY,William,,son,,M,14,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Hill
TOY,Thomas,,son,,M,12,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Ridgeacre.
TOY,Jane,,dau,,F,9,,Scholar,WOR,Cakemore.
TOY,Edwin,,son,M,11m,WOR,Hill.

1881.
Eliza TOY Head W Female 56 Long Lane, Worcester, England Nailer
Thomas TOY Son M Male 32 Quinton, Worcester, England Nailer
Sarah TOY Daur In Law M Female 31 Hales Owen, Worcester, England Nailer
David TOY G.Son Male 11 Quinton, Worcester, England Scholar
Alice TOY G Daur Female 6 Quinton, Worcester, England Scholar
Edward TOY G Son Male 3 Quinton, Worcester, England
William TOY G Son Male 1 Quinton, Worcester, England
Thomas PARKES Brother U Male 38 Long Lane, Worcester, England Nailer

Hagley Road.
Ridgacre, Worcester.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =704989849

Jimmy wrote:1881.
Eliza TOY Head W Female 56 Long Lane, Worcester, England Nailer
Thomas TOY Son M Male 32 Quinton, Worcester, England Nailer
Sarah TOY Daur In Law M Female 31 Hales Owen, Worcester, England Nailer
David TOY G.Son Male 11 Quinton, Worcester, England Scholar
Alice TOY G Daur Female 6 Quinton, Worcester, England Scholar
Edward TOY G Son Male 3 Quinton, Worcester, England
William TOY G Son Male 1 Quinton, Worcester, England
Thomas PARKES Brother U Male 38 Long Lane, Worcester, England Nailer

Hagley Road.
Ridgacre, Worcester.

I notice that David is down as son in 1871, yet in 1881 he is down as grandson.

1871 Crock Street, Hill
TOY, William Head M 50 1821 Halesownen Worcestershire Nail Maker.
TOY, Eliza Wife F 45 1826 Long Lane Worcestershire Nail Maker.
TOY, William Son M 24 1847 Worcestershire Bricklayer.
TOY, Edwin Son M 11 1860 Worcestershire Scholar.
TOY, Pheaby Daughter F 6 1865 Worcestershire Scholar.
TOY, David Son M 1 1870 Worcestershire.

Basics,
1871. Hill.
Thos Foy abt 1849.
Sarah Foy abt 1850.

The only marriage I can see is.

Marriages Sep 1870.
BLUCK Sarah. King's N. 6c. 633.
Clift Joseph. King's N. 6c. 633.
Franklin Sarah. King's Norton. 6c. 633.
TOY Thomas. King's Norton. 6c. 633.

Jimmy wrote:Basics,
1871. Hill.
Thos Foy abt 1849.
Sarah Foy abt 1850.

The only marriage I can see is.

Marriages Sep 1870.
BLUCK Sarah. King's N. 6c. 633.
Clift Joseph. King's N. 6c. 633.
Franklin Sarah. King's Norton. 6c. 633.
TOY Thomas. King's Norton. 6c. 633.

Is this the same one Jimmy?

Living a few doors away from William and Eliza Toy and family...

1871: Crock Street, Hill, Worcester
(Toy on image)
Thos Foy 22 Head Glassmaker born Crock Street
Sarah Foy 21 Wife Nailmaker born Halesowen
Eliza Jane Foy 7 months Dau born Crock Street

Living next door
(Toy on image)
Sarah Foy 73 Head Wid Nailmaker born Long Lane, Worc

Looks like the same one.

Jimmy wrote:

Northern Lass wrote:
Next door.
TOY,William,,head,M,M,68,,Jobbing Smith,,,WOR,Ridgeacre.
TOY,Sarah,,wife,M,F,63,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Ridgeacre.

WILLIAM TOY.
SARAH BIBB.
Marriage: 13 NOV 1836. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.

I looked up this marriage today
and William is a widower on it
I will add to BCC the marriage but I still don't feel I can insert the name Sarah as a mother for Wm b 1820 ish
I think our William snr was prev married to Wms mother whoever that is
so until we know I will add the word unk

here is the info
Thos allen is somat to do with the church

13 Nov 1836 St Thomas Dudley
William Toy otp widower
Sarah Bibb otp widow
banns
X both
Wit - Thos Allen (signed) / X John Allen