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Is it possible that this Hannah here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=2597&rand=735838419
is the one who married James Glaze:
Free BMDs Marriages:
James Glaze 1876 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Hannah Willetts 1876 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

I ask this because I found the following census:
1881
At Whiteheath, Cakemore
James Glaze Head 26 Coal Miner b. Oldbury, Worcs.
Hannah Glaze Wife 25 b. Oldbury, Worcs.
Sarah Ann Glaze Daur 2 mo b. Cakemore, Worcs.
Joseph Edwards Head (Lodger crossed out) Mar 22 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley
Pheobe Edwards Wife Mar 22 Coal Miner's Wife b, Worcs., Warley
John Hy Edwards Son 3 b. Staffs., Rowley
Ellen Edwards Daur 1 b. Staffs., Rowley

and noticed the names 'Glaze' and 'Edwards' in the same house.

1891
At Whiteheath, Cakemore
Entry 68
John Willetts Head 26 Boat Loader - Dock b. White Heath, Worcs.
Hannah Willetts Wife 27 b. Blackheath, Staffs.
Joseph Willetts Son 3 b. Blackheath, Staffs.
Entry 69
James Glaze Head 37 Coal Miner b. England, Oldbury, Worcs.
Hannah Glaze Wife 35 b. England, Oldbury, Worcs.
Sarah Ann Glaze Daur 10 Scholar b. England, Halesowen, Worcs.
John William Glaze Son 7 Scholar b. England, Halesowen, Worcs.
Harriett Glaze Daur 1 b. England, Halesowen, Worcs.

You and me both, NL! Why do I do this to myself???

I agree that the Hannah Willetts who married James Glaze is not the daughter of Jabez & Ann Maria Willetts. But then, who is she?

So ... getting back to the Willetts/Glaze marriage:

The more I look, the more confused I become. Can anyone else make some sense of all this ???

1851
At Whiteheath Gate, Rowley Regis
James Hartshorn Head Widower 73 Brick Layer b. Shropshire, Shrewsbury b. 1778
John Glaze Inmate Mar 25 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Tipton b. 1826
Elizabeth Glaze Inmate Mar 26 b. Worcs., Oldbury b. 1825
John Glaze Son 6 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1845
Mary Glaze Daur 11 mo b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1850
William Willetts Inmate 18 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1833

1861
At White Heath, Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Glaze Head Widow 36 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Oldbury b. 1825
Elizabeth Glaze Daur 8 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1853
James Glaze Son 7 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1854
John Glaze Son 5 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1856
Mary Glaze Daur 3 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1858
Sarah Ann Glaze Daur 1 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1860
William Willetts Boarder Un 27 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1834
Phoebe Sheldon Boarder 2 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joyce Hartshorn Boarder Un 16 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1845

1871
At White Heath, Rowley Regis
Joyce Hartshorn Head Unm 26 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1845
Martha Hartshorn Daur 7
Elizabeth Glaze Sister 19 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1852
James Glaze Nephew 17 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury b. 1854
John Glaze Nephew 15 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury b. 1856
Mary Willitts Boarder 19 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis b. 1852

Free BMDs Marriages:
James Glaze 1876 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Hannah Willetts 1876 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

1881
At Whiteheath, Cakemore
James Glaze Head 26 Coal Miner b. Oldbury, Worcs. b. 1855
Hannah Glaze Wife 25 b. Oldbury, Worcs. b. 1856
Sarah Ann Glaze Daur 2 mo b. Cakemore, Worcs. b. 1881
Joseph Edwards Head (Lodger crossed out) Mar 22 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley
Pheobe Edwards Wife Mar 22 Coal Miner's Wife b, Worcs., Warley
John Hy Edwards Son 3 b. Staffs., Rowley
Ellen Edwards Daur 1 b. Staffs., Rowley

1891
At Whiteheath, Cakemore
James Glaze Head 37 Coal Miner b. England, Oldbury, Worcs. b. 1854
Hannah Glaze Wife 35 b. England, Oldbury, Worcs. b. 1856
Sarah Ann Glaze Daur 10 Scholar b. England, Halesowen, Worcs. b. 1881
John William Glaze Son 7 Scholar b. England, Halesowen, Worcs. b. 1884
Harriett Glaze Daur 1 b. England, Halesowen, Worcs. b. 1890

1901
At Oldbury Road, Rowley Regis
William Willetts Head 66 Living on own means b. Worcs., Oldbury b. 1835
Harriet Willetts Wife 65 b. Warwick, Birmingham b. 1836
James Willetts Son S 29 Stone Quarry Man (Breaker) b. Works, Halesowen b. 1872
Samuel Willetts Son 25 Plater in Iron Works b. Works, Halesowen b. 1876
Harriet Glaze Niece 11 b. Worcs, Halesowen b. 1890

Who is the Hannah Willetts who married James Glaze, and is she connected somehow to the William Willetts who pops up all the time involved with the Glaze family?

I think I have the Glazes sorted, except that Elizabeth 1825 and John 1826 appear to have had 2 sons, John (not unusual, if the first John died). If you folks agree that the Glaze entries that I have listed are for the same family, I can at least get them on to BCC for a start.

Elizabeth Glaze is a widow in 1861 and her youngest child, Sarah Ann, was born about 1860, so John probably died 1859/60.

I can see 3 possibles for John's death:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about John Glaze
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about John Glaze
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about John Prince Glaze
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Dudley (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire

Have posted look up for Hannah Adams and John Willetts born 1865 marriage.
The Willetts and Glazes are obviously related ref. Census records posted by Di
and link may be the William Willetts who is on Census records with various Glaze family members and son of Thomas and Nancy Willetts born 1808 on 1841 Census
The Ann Willetts dau of Joseph and Selina Willetts born 1854 could also be the Hannah Willetts who married into Glaze family ?
I have added all the Willetts Census and marriage details except the 1901 and 1911 Census for John Willetts born 1865 and wife Hannah

On a roll, Mumbles

mumbles wrote:1841 Census Titford Oldbury West Bromwich Shropshire
Thomas Willetts 40 Coal Miner
Nancy Willetts 40
John Willetts 15
Joseph Willetts 15
Phillis Willetts 10
Samuel Willetts 10
Thomas Willetts 8
William Willetts 5

This could be the connection of William Willetts into the scheme of things:

dianel wrote:1901
At Oldbury Road, Rowley Regis
William Willetts Head 66 Living on own means b. Worcs., Oldbury b. 1835
Harriet Willetts Wife 65 b. Warwick, Birmingham b. 1836
James Willetts Son S 29 Stone Quarry Man (Breaker) b. Works, Halesowen b. 1872
Samuel Willetts Son 25 Plater in Iron Works b. Works, Halesowen b. 1876
Harriet Glaze Niece 11 b. Worcs, Halesowen b. 1890

Who is the Hannah Willetts who married James Glaze, and is she connected somehow to the William Willetts who pops up all the time involved with the Glaze family?

1851
At nr. Birchyfield Lane, Oldbury
Ann Willetts Head W 49 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Willetts Son 20 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Thomas Willetts Son 18 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
William Willetts Son 16 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
William Bryan Nephew 15 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about William Willetts
Birth Date: abt 1835
Age: 19
Father's Name: Thomas Willetts
Spouse's name: Harriet Whitehouse
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Father's Name: William Whitehouse
Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1854
Marriage Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

1861
At Birchyfield Lane, Oldbury
William Willetts Head 26 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
Harriett Willetts Wife 25 b. Warwick, Birmingham
Hannah Willetts Daur 5 b. Worcs., Langley
Mary Ann Willetts Daur 2 b. Worcs., Oldbury

1871
At White Heath Gate, Cakemore
William Willitts Head 36 Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
Harriet Willitts Wife 35 Dress Maker b. Birmingham
Sarah Willitts Daur 8 Scholar b. Langley Green, Salop
Phylis Willitts Daur 5 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
Hannah Willitts Daur 15 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
William Willitts Son 2 b. Worcs., White Heath Gate

1881
At 41 Whiteheath, Rowley Regis
William Willetts Head 46 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
Harriet Willetts Wife 45 b. Warwick, Birmingham
Sarah Willetts Daur 18 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Portway
Phillis Willetts Daur 15 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Portway
William Willetts Son 12 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
James Willetts Son 9 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Sam Willetts Son 5 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about William Willetts
Birth Date: abt 1835
Age: 19
Father's Name: Thomas Willetts
Spouse's name: Harriet Whitehouse
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Father's Name: William Whitehouse
Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1854
Marriage Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

1851
At nr. Birchyfield Lane, Oldbury
Ann Willetts Head W 49 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Willetts Son 20 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Thomas Willetts Son 18 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
William Willetts Son 16 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
William Bryan Nephew 15 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

1851
At Birchyfield Lane, Oldbury
William Whitehouse Head 48 Engineer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Whitehouse Wife 44 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Harriett Whitehouse Daur 16 Scholar b. Warwick, Birmingham
Hannah Wadley Niece 4 Scholar b. Worcs., Oldbury

Don't know how this connects in, but it must:
1871
At Causeway Green, Warley Wigorn, Oldbury
John Whitehouse Head 40 Licensed Victualler b. Rowley, Staffs.
Mary Whitehouse 24 b. Rowley, Staffs.
Jane Whitehouse Daur 3 b. Oldbury, Worcs.
Maud Whitehouse Daur 6 mo b. Oldbury, Worcs.
Martha Hartshorne --- 17 Bar Maid b. Rowley, Staffs.

Darn!!!
There are 2 William Willetts involved with the Glaze family:
1861
At White Heath, Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Glaze Head Widow 36 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Oldbury
Elizabeth Glaze Daur 8 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
James Glaze Son 7 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John Glaze Son 5 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Glaze Daur 3 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Sarah Ann Glaze Daur 1 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
William Willetts Boarder Un 27 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Phoebe Sheldon Boarder 2 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joyce Hartshorn Boarder Un 16 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

1861
At Birchyfield Lane, Oldbury
William Willetts Head 26 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
Harriett Willetts Wife 25 b. Warwick, Birmingham
Hannah Willetts Daur 5 b. Worcs., Langley
Mary Ann Willetts Daur 2 b. Worcs., Oldbury

1871
At White Heath Gate, Cakemore
William Willitts Head 36 Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
Harriet Willitts Wife 35 Dress Maker b. Birmingham
Sarah Willitts Daur 8 Scholar b. Langley Green, Salop
Phylis Willitts Daur 5 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
Hannah Willitts Daur 15 Scholar b. Rowley Regis b. 1856
William Willitts Son 2 b. Worcs., White Heath Gate

1881
At 41 Whiteheath, Rowley Regis
William Willetts Head 46 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
Harriet Willetts Wife 45 b. Warwick, Birmingham
Sarah Willetts Daur 18 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Portway
Phillis Willetts Daur 15 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Portway
William Willetts Son 12 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
James Willetts Son 9 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Sam Willetts Son 5 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

1891
At Whiteheath Gate, Rowley Regis
William Willetts Head 52 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
Harriet Willetts Wife 55 b. Warwick, Birmingham
William Willetts Son 22 General Labourer b. Worcs, Halesowen
James Willetts Son 19 General Labourer b. Worcs, Halesowen
Samuel Willetts Son 15 General Labourer b. Worcs, Halesowen

1901
At Oldbury Road, Rowley Regis
William Willetts Head 66 Living on own means b. Worcs., Oldbury b. 1835
Harriet Willetts Wife 65 b. Warwick, Birmingham b. 1836
James Willetts Son S 29 Stone Quarry Man (Breaker) b. Worcs, Halesowen b. 1872
Samuel Willetts Son 25 Plater in Iron Works b. Worcs, Halesowen b. 1876
Harriet Glaze Niece 11 b. Worcs, Halesowen b. 1890

I would have said that we had found the Hannah who married James Glaze in the daughter of William & Harriet born 1856, except that Harriet Glaze, daughter of Hannah & James is described as William's 'niece' rather than granddaughter in 1901.

Di I think the William Willetts who married an Harriett married an Harriett Andrews in 1862 Dudley St.Andrews

1911 Census is interesting as
150 Ashes Road Langley West Bromwich Oldbury Sataffs.
Samuel Dyas Head 49 Coal Agent born Brierley Hill Staffs.
Sarah Ann Dyas wife 48
John Henry Dyas son 21 Moulder Iron Foundry
Lilly Dyas dau 18 Golf Ball Painter
Alfred Edward Dyas son 14 Silversmith
Ernest James Dyas son 12 School
William Willetts Father.in.law (wid) 76 born Oldbury Worcs.
Resty born Rowley Regis Staffs.

Look at 1911 Census for John and Hannah and you can see they live next door at 151

DYAS Samuel WILLETTS Sarah A Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/005/254 1885

mumbles wrote:Di I think the William Willetts who married an Harriett married an Harriett Andrews in 1862 Dudley St.Andrews

Dunno, Mumbles. Look at these:

1851
At nr. Birchyfield Lane, Oldbury
Ann Willetts Head W 49 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Willetts Son 20 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Thomas Willetts Son 18 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
William Willetts Son 16 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
William Bryan Nephew 15 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

1851
At Birchyfield Lane, Oldbury
William Whitehouse Head 48 Engineer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Whitehouse Wife 44 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Harriett Whitehouse Daur 16 Scholar b. Warwick, Birmingham
Hannah Wadley Niece 4 Scholar b. Worcs., Oldbury

1861
At Birchyfield Lane, Oldbury
William Willetts Head 26 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
Harriett Willetts Wife 25 b. Warwick, Birmingham
Hannah Willetts Daur 5 b. Worcs., Langley
Mary Ann Willetts Daur 2 b. Worcs., Oldbury

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about William Willetts
Birth Date: abt 1835
Age: 19
Father's Name: Thomas Willetts
Spouse's name: Harriet Whitehouse
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Father's Name: William Whitehouse
Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1854
Marriage Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Hi Di,
I think your marriage to Harriett Whitehouse is correct and confirms that this William son of Thomas and Nancy Willetts

Just noticed that San has posted details of Sarah Ann Willetts marriage to Samuel Dyas so another connection

mumbles wrote:Rowley Parish Records tie up well for this Willetts family as marriages and Witnesses lead on well:
16/2/1846 Samuel Brown Bach, Miner of Whiteheath Gate son of Robert a Miner and Phillis Willetts 20 Sp. dau of Thomas a Miner. Witnesses John Willetts and Mary Ann Brian
1/1/1849 John Willetts 24 Bach. Miner of Whiteheath Gate son of Thomas a Miner & Mary Ann Bryan sp. of Whiteheath Gate. Witnesses James Russel and Phillis Brown

1851
At nr. Birchyfield Lane, Oldbury
Ann Willetts Head W 49 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Willetts Son 20 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Thomas Willetts Son 18 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
William Willetts Son 16 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Oldbury
William Bryan Nephew 15 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis