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I have the death certificate for Wm Worton who died Five Ways Cradley Heath aged 81 in 1844. This is Wm from Cradley. He died at the home of Samuel Worton Five Ways. Here is the link:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =779098788

I wonder if it is the Samuel you have born about 1816 He was the only Samuel I could find living at Five Ways Cradley Heath in 1841. If it is the same Samuel, how was he connected to William born and bread Cradley Samuel as far as we know was not William's son. Any ideas anyone Linell.

linell wrote:I have the death certificate for Wm Worton who died Five Ways Cradley Heath aged 81 in 1844. This is Wm from Cradley. He died at the home of Samuel Worton Five Ways. Here is the link:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =779098788

I wonder if it is the Samuel you have born about 1816 He was the only Samuel I could find living at Five Ways Cradley Heath in 1841. If it is the same Samuel, how was he connected to William born and bread Cradley Samuel as far as we know was not William's son. Any ideas anyone Linell.

Could William have been Samuel's grandfather

Submitted
ISRAEL WORTON
Christening: 21 NOV 1790 Halesowen, Worcester
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM WORTON
Mother: SARAH

I see this Israel on BCC, but it doesn't tie in to the census below..
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =670150961

Poss marriage
ST.THOMAS,DUDLEY
14 Jul 1824
Samuel Worton B
Ann Barrell S
Witness Eda Hasson, S Paskin

1841
Cradley Bridge to Fiveways
Saml Whorton 30 - Nailer
Ann Whorton 30
Isiah Whorton 50 (Israel)
Thos Mansell 15
Lenora Mansell 14
all n b in c

1851
5 ways, Cradley heath
Samuel Worton 46
Ann Worton 42
Israel Worton 60 - Wid
all b Rowley, all Nailmakers

1861
Cradley Road, Rowley
Samuel Whorton 53 - Bulldog Grinker? iron
Ann Whorton 52
Daniel Whorton 71 - Father - Wid (Israel if you close one eye and squint)
Samuel Luckock 35 - Lodger - Mason - b West Brom
others b Cradley

1871
Cradley Road, Rowley
Samuel Wertin 60 - Labourer - b Cradley
Ann Wertin 58 - b Corley, Salop
Worton on image

1881
16 Cradley Road
Samuel Worton 70 - Labourer At Iron Work - b Cradley
Ann Worton 68 - b Salop Coke? hills

Thos Mansell 15 and Lenora Mansell 14 on the 1841, related to Ann somehow?

26 Aug 1822
ST.THOMAS,DUDLEY
Israil Worton B
Ann Mansell W
Witness S Paskin, Richard Hadley

Off on a tangent

Lenora Mansell 14 on the 1841
Poss - Late Baptisms
7 Apr 1833
Lennora Mansell, do Jeremiah & Ann Mansell, Cradley, Bayonet forger
next entry same day
Simeon, so Jeremiah & Ann Mansell, Cradley, Bayonet forger

Jeremiah & Ann
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =898267105

Poss marriage
Submitted
JEREMIAH MANSELL
Marriages:
Spouse: ANN FORREST
Marriage: 25 DEC 1819 Halesowen, Worcester

25 Dec 1819
Jeremiah Mansell, otp, bach & Ann Forrest, otp, spin
wcop by JR (curate)
Wit - John Bissell & Sarah Bissell
X for all

That's all a brilliant find FS, thanks very much. Will have a look later, I have a new PC and not got any of my files uploaded yet, will have a good look at it later, many thanks from Linell.

Samuel has to be connected to Wm who died in his household in 1844, he says on the Census he was born Cradley

1871
Cradley Road, Rowley
Samuel Wertin 60 - Labourer - b Cradley
Ann Wertin 58 - b Corley, Salop
Worton on image

1881
16 Cradley Road
Samuel Worton 70 - Labourer At Iron Work - b Cradley
Ann Worton 68 - b Salop Coke? hills

Wouldn't think he Married in Gornall Pete, would put my money on the Marriage to Ann Barrell, could be Barrett

Am still going through this, thanks again FS great work there, from Linell.

Hi Pete yes looks like two Samuels, and two Israel's. I think we have the wrong wife for Israel here:

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =887781358

He can't be the Israel who Married Harriet Wooldridge, looks like he Married Ann Mansell

Need to have a better look at all of this. Linell.

Ok have got this far:-

Israel Worton born about 1790 Married Ann Mansell.
Son Samuel born about 1812 - 1816 (all ages seem to be way off on each Census) Married another Ann (could be Ann widow of Jeremiah Mansell,) they had children Rueben 1820 - 1820 born and buried Cradley (a Worton family name) Lucy born Cradley 1821, Leonora born Cradley 1833, Simeon born and buried Cradley 1833 - 1833.

Samuel and Ann are on the Census at different times with Israel Worton Samuel's father, and Leonora Mansell daughter of Jeremiah and Ann.

Samuel is present at death of Wm Worton in Cradley Heath 1844.

What do you think Pete. I will try and find a death for Jeremiah Mansell.

Linell.

There are a couple of deaths for a Jeremiah Mansell Stourbridge Registration in 1845 and 1848. No good to us, we need one who died before 1841. Did find a Cradley Burial in 1831 for a Jeremiah aged 6, he could be another one of Jeremiah and Ann's children. Also found a burial for a Wm Worton aged 89 11.10.1829.

Linell.

Not following this lot but if you can let me know what needs sorting and why I can take
a look and we can amend
depends who has entered info

if me I am ok with you to sort
if someone else let me know and I will get involved

but let's check what we can before amending

Hi NL, I think we have the wrong Israel Worton Married to Harriet Wooldridge.

Should be this line:-
High Park Cradley we have four brothers:-

William born about 1795 Married Mary Forrest
1841 they have Temperance aged 19, Sarah 17, Betsey 15, David 13 and Wm 4.

John born about 1800 - 1840 Married Jane Hodgetts 26.9.1814 Old Swinford (John died Colley Gate, I have the certificate, High Park was in the Colley Gate area,) they had James 1815, William 1817, Sarah 1819, Mary 1820, Rueben 1822, Jane 1824, Mary Ann 1825. Wm aged 23, Mary aged 20, Ruben aged 18, and Jane aged 14, are all in High Park 1841, no parents.

Joseph aged 35 in High Park 1841 with children Israel 18, Zechariah 16, Honor 14. Ann 12. Mother Ann presume deceased.

Then there is Israel with wife Harriet 1841 High Park with children Benjamin 17, William 15, Esther 15, Solomon 13, John 10, Patience 7, Ono 4, Comfort 2.


Then in Lyde Green Cradley, which is the other side of Cradley to High Park we have:-

William aged 75 in 1841 (he is the one who dies in 1844, at 5 Ways Cradley Heath with Samuel) he is the son of Israel Worton and Elizabeth Cox. He Married Sarah Naile. Their sons were Ruben 1804, Joseph 1804, and Israel 1790.
2nd Wife Mary aged 55
Rueben aged 35
Sarah Wife 30
Ann 9
Joseph 6
Israel 4
Wm 2


I think this is the Israel who Married Ann Mansell and had son Samuel from 5 Ways. HTH from Linell.

Hi Lin

I am confused on this

can you sort it out and put in notes what is what
pls

So we need to swap Harriet to whom?
and all those kids?
which Israel does she marry?

and we need to add ann to Israel son of Wm and sarah nail?

Hi NL will list all the relevant Census info:-

1851 Old Workhouse High Park Cradley

WORTON, Israel Head Married M 48 1803 Nail Forger
Cradley
Worcestershire
WORTON, Harriot Wife Married F 43 1808 Nail Forger
Oldswinton
Worcestershire
WORTON, Benjn Son Unmarried M 27 1824 Nail Forger
Oldswinton
Worcestershire
WORTON, Esther Daughter Unmarried F 25 1826 Nail Forger
Oldswinton
Worcestershire
WORTON, Solomon Son Unmarried M 22 1829 Nail Forger
Oldswinton
Worcestershire
WORTON, John Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Nail Forger
Oldswinton
Worcestershire
WORTON, Patience Daughter Unmarried F 17 1834 Nail Forger
Oldswinton
Worcestershire
WORTON, Ono Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Nail Forger
Oldswinton
Worcestershire
WORTON, Comfort Daughter Unmarried F 12 1839 At Home
Cradley
Worcestershire
WORTON, Ann Daughter F 9 1842 At Home
Cradley
Worcestershire
WORTON, Thomas Son M 7 1844 At Home
Cradley
Worcestershire
WORTON, Samuel Son M 5 1846 At Home
Cradley
Worcestershire
WORTON, Rosanna Daughter F 2 1849 At Home
Cradley
Worcestershire
WORTON, Fanny Daughter F 0 (3 MOS) 1851 At Home
Cradley
Worcestershire
WORTON, Mercy F 1 1850
Kingswinford
Staffordshire

1851 High Park Cradley
Wm Worton HD M 56 Nail Forger Cradley
Mary Wife 62 Cradley
David Son U 23 Nail Forger Cradley

Next door Betsey Harper Daughter of Wm and Mary above

Next door is then Israel HD M 29 Horse Nail Maker born OS
Eliza Wife 22 Nailer OS
Zachariah Worton LG U 27 Horse Nail Maker born OS (brother of Israel sons of Joseph born 1805 and an Ann)

Do we have that Marriage for Israel and Eliza

All one family.

is it this one
add it and I will look it up

1850
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WARTON Israel WOLDRIDGE Eliza Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/010/203

can you put who the father should be too