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Hi everyone,
This is my first post to the BC art of the forum. My husband is a Black Country lad and must take all the blame for my FHR addiction. It started when we cleaned out his garage and found a box with a load of certs, a bible and mourning cards for people he'd never heard of. I'm now trying to further a line of his family from Oldbury.
His gg grandparents are William HOLDEN and Hannah HUGHES. They married at St Thomas Dudley on 25 Sept 1837. Their parents were William HOLDEN a miner and William HUGHES a Furnaceman. William jnr according to census was born about 1818 in Oldbury. Hannah came from Tipton born abt 1820. They in the best BC tradition had a large family; Maria 1837, Mary Ann 1840, Rosanna 1842, Mercy (g grandmother) 1844, William 1847, Selina 1852, Levi 1855, Jacob 1857.
So; is anyone else interested in this family? Does anyone have access to Oldbury PRs....if so is there any sign of William HOLDEN born abt 1818 father William.
Best wishes to all
Angeliana (the name of the village we now live in in Crete)

think this might be one of the kids william 1847

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =743001549


HOLDEN William HARROLD Mercy 1872 West Bromwich, All Saints West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 22/13/218

poss mercy



http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =335877564


HOLDEN Mercy DARBY Samuel 1865 Rowley Regis, St Giles West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 18/3/367

poss maria

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =335877564


HOLDEN Maria MOSS Thomas 1858 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/017/406



none of these connect at the moment anyone find any censuses please

poss selina

SELINA HOLDEN
CHARLES CLIFFORD SOUTHALL
Marriage: 01 SEP 1873 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

HOLDEN Selena SOUTHALL Charles C 1873 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/031/7


poss

1881 Oldbury No 11 Eel St, Oldbury, Worcester

Charles Clifford SOUTHALL 28 Moseley, Worcester, Brick Labourer
Selina SOUTHALL 28 Oldbury, Worcester,
Frances Emily SOUTHALL 6 Oldbury, Worcester, Scholar
Mary Hannah SOUTHALL 1 m Oldbury, Worcester,


next door mother

1881 Oldbury No 12 Eel St, Oldbury, Worcester

Hannah HOLDEN Widow (Head) 59 Tipton, Stafford, Shopkeeper
Joseph HOLDEN 23 Oldbury, Worcester, Blacksmith
William HOLDEN Grandson 9 Oldbury, Worcester, Scholar

poss levi

HOLDEN Levi PHILPUTS Hannah 1877 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/034/104

1881: 103 Stone St, Oldbury, Worcester

Levi HOLDEN 26 Oldbury Glass Cutter
Hannah HOLDEN 24 West Bromwich
William HOLDEN 1 Oldbury
Mary Ann HOLDEN 2 Oldbury

Possible
1841 Furnace Row Halesowen
William Holden 25 Coal Miner
Hannah Holden 20
Merien Holden 3
Ann Holden 1
All born in county

1851 Eel Street Oldbury
William Holden Head 33 Born Lane End Pottery Stafford
Hannah Holden Wife 32 Born Tipton
Maria Holden Daur. 15 Home Born Oldbury
Rosannah Holden Daur. 9 Born Oldbury
Mercy Holden Daur. 7 Born Oldbury
William Holden Son 4 Born Oldbury
Mary Ann Holden Daur. 1 Born Oldbury

1861 Eel Street Oldbury
William Holden Head 44 Coal Miner
Hannah Holden Wife 40
Mary Holden Daur. 16
William Holden Son 14 Coal Miner
Selina Holden Daur. 9
Levi Holden Son 6
Jacob Holden Son 4
All born Oldbury

1871 No 12 Eel Street Oldbury
Warrick Holden Head Widow 49 Housekeeper Born Tipton(Image says Hannah)
Willm Holden Son 23 Miner
Selina Holden Daur. 18
Levi Holden Son 16 Glass cutter
Jacob Holden Son 13
All others born Oldbury

1871 12 Eel Street, Oldbury
Warrick (Hannah on original!)Holden Widow 49 Housekeeper b. Tipton
Willm Holden 23 Miner
Selina Holden 18
Levi Holden 16 Glasscutter
Jacob Holden 13
rest born Oldbury

Sorry didn't realise you were way ahead of me

William Holden born 1818.Is this his son.?

1891 Halesowen Street Oldbury (just around the corner from Eel street)
William Holdem(Holden) Head 44 Cole(sic) Miner and Publican born Oldbury,Worcestershire.
Mercy Holdem wife 38
Hannah Holdem daug 17 Factory Hand
Selina Holdem daug 16 Factory Hand
Rose Holdem daug 10 Scholar
William Holdem son 7 Scholar
Thomas Holdem son 6 Scholar
Florence Holdem daug 3
Levi Holdem son 1
All born Oldbury Worcestershire.

And here he is again but now he's a widow.
1901 60 Halesowen Street Hope and Anchor Inn.
William Holden head 54 wid House manager
Rose Holden daug 20
William Holden son 17 Bricklayer Labr
Thomas Holden son 16 Iron works Puddler
Florence Holden daug 13
Nellie Holden daug 7
All born Oldbury,Worcestershire.

Many thanks to everyone so far who has posted a reply. I didn't expect such a good response. I'm having a look now to see what new gems you've found for me. One other bit of info I do know about William HOLDEN (born c1818) is that he was killed in a mining accident.
In an extract from www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/database register of deaths and injuries
Name: HOLDEN W
Age: 50
Date: 27/11/1868
Year: 1868
Occupation: Pikeman
Colliery: Portway Hall
Owner: WH Dawes
Town: Oldbury
County: Worcester
Notes: Fall of coal in thick coal pit. He and another were taking out the spurns and timber to throw a fall when a bump forced a piece of coal on him.
Does anyone know what a Pikeman did. I've googled it but only found military refs. Also does anyone have any knowledge of this colliery. On hs death cert it's listed called Lamb Colliery.

angeliana wrote:Many thanks to everyone so far who has posted a reply. I didn't expect such a good response. I'm having a look now to see what new gems you've found for me. One other bit of info I do know about William HOLDEN (born c1818) is that he was killed in a mining accident.
In an extract from http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/database register of deaths and injuries
Name: HOLDEN W
Age: 50
Date: 27/11/1868
Year: 1868
Occupation: Pikeman
Colliery: Portway Hall
Owner: WH Dawes
Town: Oldbury
County: Worcester
Notes: Fall of coal in thick coal pit. He and another were taking out the spurns and timber to throw a fall when a bump forced a piece of coal on him.
Does anyone know what a Pikeman did. I've googled it but only found military refs. Also does anyone have any knowledge of this colliery. On hs death cert it's listed called Lamb Colliery.

In a Durham list of mining occupations I found:

Pikeman 1894: Workman using a pick

It could be that it meant something different in the Black Country:

I remember when I visited a mine they described that one way of getting at the coal was to dig away at the bottom of a seam - using timber to hold up the coal above and then when they had gone in about 2 feet they pulled the timber (is this the spurns?) out and let the seam above drop - - from the notes this sounds as though it might have been when the accident happened!

That's a coincidence Portway Hall has been mentioned again!!
Angeliana if you go to the Local History in The Black Country and click on the Whiteheath thread and click on the place kindly supplied by Mallosa you will find a photo of Portway Hall and that's where the coal mine would have been!! Around that area were many small pits in the 19th century.
Eel Street was wher he lived and in fact Portway Road is the street next to Eel Street going up to the Rowley Hills to an area still known as Portway today.

Thanks very much to Rob and Maths girl for their info on Pikeman and Portway Colliery.

As I said my description came from a Durham list and the words sometimes vary from place to place --it might be worth contacting the Black Country Museum and see whether they will give you any more info.

http://www.bclm.co.uk/