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HI, I am afraid to move on, in case I am on the wrong road, can guide me please.
My paternal grandfather was, Frederick John Williams born 1895 St Marylebone
his father is Thomas John Williams - Mother Eliza Ann Williams nee Hayward
Thomas John Williams bn. Dec 1857 Marylebone --- md. Eliza Anne Hayward Sept 1883 Middx
his father is William Williams Bootmaker --md. Eliz perry (or shown as wife on census, he is 33, she is 40) both born in Helston cornwall.

I have them all on the census's 1901 in marylebone ---1891 in Marylebone ---1881 in Westminster---1871 in Westminster----1861 in Marylebone

this is where I have got lost, I cannot find William Williams and Eliz perry's marriage cert. and also I have never been able to identify them in Helston in 1851 or London.

hope someone can help or guide me....thanks

Yvette

Hi this look like it may be William in 1851
Wardom Street, St Anne Soho, Middlesex
John Coleuso, head, 27, Boot Maker
Eliza, wife, 25,
John, son, 2,
Stephen, son, 1, St annes Soho
Henry, son, 3 months, St Annes Soho
Henry, Brother, 21, Boot Maker
William Williams, brother in law, 22, Boot Maker
All others born Helston Cornwall

Do you have a birth certificate to say that Elizabeth is Perry?
Jo

That 1851 census the name could be Colenso. Theres a marriage in 1848 St James Westminster John Colenso and on the same page there is Eliza Williams

From Ancestry Westminster, London, England; Collection: St James; -; Date Range: 1847 - 1853
27th March 1848
John Colenso, father John
Eliza Williams, father William

I am on Genes, looking at 1851 census and cannot find it :@ but it does look very promising that this is my William I'll keep looking

HO107 Piece 1510 Folio 194 Page 37

thanks grangers

I am on Genes

Does that mean someone on there told you her maiden name was Perry?
Its always best to check info, because there are so many Williams you would be better off getting a childs birth certificate to confirm her maiden name.

This doesnt seem to be a brickwall at the moment so am going to move it to the general section.
Jo

I have William's and Elizabeths sons William and Thomas births cert. and on one it is Perry and on other it is Parry

I have been on ancestry westminster, trying to buy credits, but just my luck, it is not working for me, I cannot pay thanks for your help though I will keep trying

sorry, also was on genes reunited where i have credits, trying to see the 1851 census with the Colenso family and william, but it is not coming up on there ....for me

thanks

Can this be archived Yvette?
It can come back at anytime just ask a moderator to bring it back.
Jo