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2 different Joseph Withers and Marys

Joseph Withers m Mary Willetts 1830

1851 Census Wall Well Hasbury Halesowen
Joseph Withers HD M 33 Brick Kiln Labourer Kidderminster
Mary Wife 36 Lutley
Samuel 19 Lutley
James 15 Lutley
Joseph 14 Lutley
Alfred 8 Lutley
John 7

and this is ours

1851 Spring Hill Hasbury
Joseph Withers 48 Timber Dealer and Farmer born Kinver
Mary Wife 38 Kingswinford
George 5 born Kidderminster

so perhaps ours is a Mary Inston

So don't think this is ours esp if he didnt have any kids

http://tom1549.tribalpages.com/tribe/br ... =378299064

I think only one of the marriages is for Joseph Withers b 1802 Kinver
the Willetts one is for the other Joseph

can we find a marriage for Joseph Withers and Mary Inston

This is a long shot
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1847
WITHERS Joseph HODSON Mary Wednesbury, St Bartholomew Sandwell Register Office 32/2/45

According to that other tree Mary remarried John Lashford

is this her marriage

Marriages Sep 1866
LASHFORD John Birmingham 6d 56
Mackenzie Mary A Birmingham 6d 56
MULLINS William Birmingham 6d 56
Withers Mary Birmingham 6d 56

This is the info for 1851 Spring Hill :-

Joseph Withers HD M 48 Timber Dealer and Farmer of 25 Acres born Kinfare (old name for Kinver)
Mary Wife 38 Kingswinford
George Inston SV U 27 Waggoner born Kingswinford
Christopher Inston SV U 21 Cowman born Northfield

So Mary must be Mary Inston??

Linell.

so is this Mary in 1841
Jiggins Lane Northfield
Thomas Instone 50 Carpenter
Hannah Instone 50
Mary Instone 25
John Instone 20
Thomas Instone 20
William Instone 15
George Instone 15
Joshua Instone 14
Christopher Instone 11
All born in County

This entry also has son Geoge aged 5 born Kidderminster on my copy:-

1851 Census Wall Well Hasbury Halesowen
Joseph Withers HD M 33 Brick Kiln Labourer Kidderminster
Mary Wife 36 Lutley
Samuel 19 Lutley
James 15 Lutley
Joseph 14 Lutley
Alfred 8 Lutley
John 7


I have this family, I think Mary could be Mary Willetts born about 1810 (her age varies on the Census) daughter of Samuel Willetts and Mary Crumpton. Linell.

if this is Mary

Jiggins Lane Northfield
Thomas Instone 50 Carpenter
Hannah Instone 50
Mary Instone 25
John Instone 20
Thomas Instone 20
William Instone 15
George Instone 15
Joshua Instone 14
Christopher Instone 11
All born in County

And this is Joseph

1841 Margarets Hill Hagley Road
Joseph Withers 40 Timber Merchant Not born in County
Living next door to Edward abt 1806

Joseph and Mary must have married after 1841

Marriages Mar 1842

CRAMPTON William Kings Norton 18 345
FRANKS Mary Kings Norton 18 345
HALL Ann Kings Norton 18 345
HAMBLETON Charles Kings Norton 18 345
INSTON Mary Kings Norton 18 345
MABERY Ann Kings Norton 18 345
SMITH Henry Kings Norton 18 345
WITHERS Joseph Kings Norton 18 345

linell wrote:This is the info for 1851 Spring Hill :-

Joseph Withers HD M 48 Timber Dealer and Farmer of 25 Acres born Kinfare (old name for Kinver)
Mary Wife 38 Kingswinford
George Inston SV U 27 Waggoner born Kingswinford
Christopher Inston SV U 21 Cowman born Northfield

So Mary must be Mary Inston??

Linell.

what does SV mean?

so they could be Marys brothers

looking more likely that marriage
what do we think?

I think we could add that

Hi NL, the SV is servant, but I think they were brothers:-

Jiggins Lane Northfield
Thomas Instone 50 Carpenter
Hannah Instone 50
Mary Instone 25
John Instone 20
Thomas Instone 20
William Instone 15
George Instone 15
Joshua Instone 14
Christopher Instone 11
All born in County

Linell.

Think SV means Servant

kdw wrote:so is this Mary in 1841
Jiggins Lane Northfield
Thomas Instone 50 Carpenter
Hannah Instone 50
Mary Instone 25
John Instone 20
Thomas Instone 20
William Instone 15
George Instone 15
Joshua Instone 14
Christopher Instone 11
All born in County

really need some help in adding this pls
can anyone add this lot for parents for Mary checking not on already
and all the kids

flagging for help

Hi NL, I will add tomorrow, am logging off soon, my bed time Here is Joseph and Mary Willetts in 1841:-

Hayley Green Halesowen
WITHERS, Joseph M 35 1806 Worcestershire
WITHERS, Mary F 30 1811 Worcestershire
WITHERS, Samuel M 10 1831 Worcestershire
WITHERS, James M 5 1836 Worcestershire
WITHERS, Joseph M 4 1837 Worcestershire
WITHERS, Alfred M 1 1840 Worcestershire

Linell.

linell wrote:Hi NL, I will add tomorrow, am logging off soon, my bed time Here is Joseph and Mary Willetts in 1841:-

Hayley Green Halesowen
WITHERS, Joseph M 35 1806 Worcestershire
WITHERS, Mary F 30 1811 Worcestershire
WITHERS, Samuel M 10 1831 Worcestershire
WITHERS, James M 5 1836 Worcestershire
WITHERS, Joseph M 4 1837 Worcestershire
WITHERS, Alfred M 1 1840 Worcestershire

Linell.

So that is the other lot with kids not the sawyer

I think once we add that 1841 for Mary we can archive this

linell wrote:Hi NL, the SV is servant, but I think they were brothers:-

Jiggins Lane Northfield
Thomas Instone 50 Carpenter
Hannah Instone 50
Mary Instone 25
John Instone 20
Thomas Instone 20
William Instone 15
George Instone 15
Joshua Instone 14
Christopher Instone 11
All born in County

Linell.

Ok I have added Thomas and Hannah unknown it is just all those kids pls would be a huge help and the census