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*Arc tbc* ---John Roan
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:31 pm
by Northern Lass
This is the father of Thomas Roan married to Mary Holloway
he is a Soldier on marriage of son in 1842
Thomas is born about 1820 prob Warley Wigorn
wits on marriage are Francis Whitehurst and Sarah Cole
just wanted the mother of Thomas and wife of John
Re: John Roan
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:25 pm
by Jimmy
Could this be Thomas in 1851.
1851.Park House Lane, Oldbury.
Thomas Raun 31. Carpenter and Joiner. born Dudley.
Mary Ann Raun 28. born Brierley Hill.
Susanna Raun 7. Smethwick.
Ann Maria Raun 6. Poplar, Middlesex.
Sarah Raun 2. Dudley.
Mary Ann Raun 2. Dudley.
Thomas H Raun 5 Mo. Oldbury.
Eliza Rogers 15. Visitor.
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:44 am
by Northern Lass
Jimmy wrote:Could this be Thomas in 1851.
1851.Park House Lane, Oldbury.
Thomas Raun 31. Carpenter and Joiner. born Dudley.
Mary Ann Raun 28. born Brierley Hill.
Susanna Raun 7. Smethwick.
Ann Maria Raun 6. Poplar, Middlesex.
Sarah Raun 2. Dudley.
Mary Ann Raun 2. Dudley.
Thomas H Raun 5 Mo. Oldbury.
Eliza Rogers 15. Visitor.
think this is him
1851 Birmingham Street Halesowen
Thomas Roan Batty HD M 32 Sweep Chelsea Middx
Mary Wife 29 Nailer Halesowen
Elizabeth D 4 H/O
Alexander Son 1 H/O
Wm Bandicot Servant 24 Sweep Leceister
Hannah Holloway Lodger Nailer 9 H/O
Mary Brookes Lodger W 32 Nailer H/O
Sarah Brookes Lodger 5 Rowley
Charlotte Brooks Lodger 3 Rowley
can we find him in 1841?
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:46 am
by Northern Lass
Just filling this lot in on BCC
odd this he marries as Roan but on census and on bapt for some kids puts
Thomas Roan Batty
so he might be a Batty on census
can anyone find a bapt for him?
or maybe he is batty on 1841
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:47 am
by Jimmy
Northern Lass wrote:This is the father of Thomas Roan married to Mary Holloway
he is a Soldier on marriage of son in 1842
Thomas is born about 1820 prob Warley Wigorn
wits on marriage are Francis Whitehurst and Sarah Cole
just wanted the mother of Thomas and wife of John
What was Thomas's occupation on the marriage cert.
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:48 am
by Northern Lass
ALEXANDER ROAN BATTY
Christening: 09 JAN 1850 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ROAN BATTY
Mother: MARY Extracted birth
JANE ROAN
Christening: 17 SEP 1851 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ROAN
Mother: MARY BATTY
Extracted
GEORGE BATTY
Christening: 06 JAN 1858 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ROAN BATTY
Mother: MARY Extracted
MARY BATTY
Christening: 25 DEC 1862 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ROAN BATTY
Mother: MARY Extracted
here is link
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =880334537He is Chimney sweep on marriage I have entered marriage in notes
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:56 am
by Northern Lass
This is odd
Mary Holloway is down as Batty
wonder why?
anyone got the trans book see what it says
JANE ROAN
Christening: 17 SEP 1851 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ROAN
Mother: MARY BATTY
Extracted
we know it is Mary Holloway spinster
must be a mistake in PR
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:08 am
by Jimmy
Will this help.
1861. Birmingham St. Halesowen.
Thomas Roan Batty 43. born Chelsey, Moray, Scotland. Chimney Sweeper.
Mary Batty 43.
Hannah Holloway 20. Dau in law.
Elizabeth Holloway 13.
Elexander Holloway 10.
Jane Holloway 9.
George Holloway 4.
Bangham Holloway 4 Mo.
All others born Halesowen.
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:10 am
by Northern Lass
So he is born Scotland on 61 and Middlesex on 51
kids look regs as batty
1849
BATTY Alexander Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/009/87
1851
BATTY Jane R Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/010/448
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:19 am
by Jimmy
1871. Birmingham St.
Thomas Batty 55. Chelsea, Middlesex, Chimney Sweep and lodging house keeper.
Mary Batty 50.
Alexander Batty 21. So.
William Jones 12.
Samuel Lores 65.
John William 33.
Hannah William 46.
Ellen Smith 52.
William Coley 76.
John Goddard 52.
John Lambert 36.
Richard Purcell 33.
Catherine Purcell 30.
Mary Purcell 11 months.
Thomas Fisher 63.
All others lodgers.
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:21 am
by Jimmy
Jimmy wrote:Will this help.
1861. Birmingham St. Halesowen.
Thomas Roan Batty 43. born Chelsey, Moray, Scotland. Chimney Sweeper.
Mary Batty 43.
Hannah Holloway 20. Dau in law.
Elizabeth Holloway 13.
Elexander Holloway 10.
Jane Holloway 9.
George Holloway 4.
Bangham Holloway 4 Mo.
All others born Halesowen.
Looking at the image it dosn't say Scotland only Chelsey.
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:30 am
by Northern Lass
can anyone find that birth for Bangham batty
can't be called that
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:37 am
by Maths girl
Northern Lass wrote:can anyone find that birth for Bangham batty
can't be called that
No obvious Batty's but there is this one at about the right time
Benjamin Holloway 1860 Oct-Nov-Dec Stourbridge
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:06 pm
by Jimmy
Its strange how these are down on the census as Holloway.
Hannah Holloway 20. Dau in law.
Elizabeth Holloway 13.
Elexander Holloway 10.
Jane Holloway 9.
George Holloway 4.
Bangham Holloway 4 Mo.
Re: John Roan
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:55 pm
by Maths girl
Northern Lass wrote:
1851 Birmingham Street Halesowen
Thomas Roan Batty HD M 32 Sweep Chelsea Middx
Mary Wife 29 Nailer Halesowen
Elizabeth D 4 H/O
Alexander Son 1 H/O
Wm Bandicot Servant 24 Sweep Leceister
Hannah Holloway Lodger Nailer 9 H/O
Mary Brookes Lodger W 32 Nailer H/O
Sarah Brookes Lodger 5 Rowley
Charlotte Brooks Lodger 3 Rowley
1861. Birmingham St. Halesowen.
Thomas Roan Batty 43. born Chelsey, Moray, Chimney Sweeper.
Mary Batty 43.
Hannah Holloway 20. Dau in law.
Elizabeth Holloway 13.
Elexander Holloway 10.
Jane Holloway 9.
George Holloway 4.
Bangham Holloway 4 Mo.
All others born Halesowen.
Interesting Hannah goes from Lodger to Daughter-in-law in 10 years without changing her name --- was daughter-in-law being used as -(step-daughter) - (adopted daughter)
I've just looked at the original for 1861 and noted the following:
Originally Hannah has Do for her surname ie Batty! This has been crossed out and Holloway added.
The rest of the children then have Do for their surname --- Question when was the crossing out and the Holloway added - if all the children were added with Do and then the enumerator was corrected - it reverts just Hannah to being Holloway or she presented them with Benjamin as a surprise extra!