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me and a friend have seem to have mixed two family up i have worked out one family but need help with the other

i got a joseph tromans born 1835 to isaac tromans and phoebe (brittle )not 100% on her surname
i have him married to a hannah my friend also has him married to a hannah
my friend had there children listed as
samuel 1860
alice 1861
george1864
joseph 1868
Elizabeth 1871
hagar 1873
ann 1876
jane 1879

this is where the two familys are mixed up
on the 81 cen the are two familys with a joseph and a hannah

the 1st

joseph 46

hannah 47

mary 10

hagar 9
and joseph sister mary 50

i do know that isaac and phoebe did have a girl that would have been 50 that year

now the 2nd famliy i have found in 81cen is
joseph 46

hannah 44

alice 21

george 17

joseph 13

ann 5

jane 2

can any one tell me where this family comes from

1881 census

1881 96 The Village Rowley Regis,

Joseph TROMANS 46 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Boiler Maker
Hannah TROMANS 44 West Bromwich, Stafford,
Alice TROMANS 21 Rowley, Stafford,
George TROMANS 17 Rowley, Stafford, Boiler Maker
Joseph Wm. TROMANS 13 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Boiler Maker
Ann TROMANS 5 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Jane TROMANS 2 Rowley Regis, Stafford,


also

1881 92 The Village Rowley Regis,


Henry TROMANS 64 Rowley, Stafford, Rivet Maker
Mary TROMANS 62 Rowley, Stafford,
Harry TROMANS 19 Rowley, Stafford, Stone Cutter
John TROMANS 15 Rowley, Stafford, Labourer
Richd. NEWTON Grandson 8 Barrow, Lancashire, Scholar

and the other

1881 26 New Town Dudley, Worcester

Joseph TROMANS 46 Dudley, Worcester, Nailer
Hannah TROMANS 47 Dudley, Worcester,
Mary TROMANS 10 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar
Hagar TROMANS 9 Dudley, Worcester,
Mary TROMANS Sister 50 Dudley, Worcester,



this poss might be above on bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =178227689


next door

1881 23 New Town Dudley,

Sylvia HARRISS (Head) W e 71 Cradley Heath, Stafford,
John TROMANS Nephew U 20 Bristol Chain Maker




two doors down

1881 24 New Town Dudley, Worcester

Solomon TROMANS Head 70 Rowley, Stafford, Chain Maker
Sarah TROMANS Wife 63 Rowley, Stafford,
William TROMANS Widr 46 Rowley, Stafford, Chain Maker
Joseph TROMANS Grand Son 20 Rowley, Stafford, Chain Maker
Hannah TROMANS Grand Daur 18 Rowley, Stafford, Chain Maker

poss one of the above


Joseph Tromans
Father: Isaac Tromans

Spouse: Hannah Perry
Father: James Perry

Marriage: 06 OCT 1856 St Edmund'S, Dudley, Worcester

poss a couple of others

TROWMAN/S Joseph PARKES Hannah 1856 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/015/239

TROWMAN John RAYBOULD Hannah 1860 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/019/180

TROMANS Joseph PERRY Hannah 1856 Dudley, St Edmund West Midlands Dudley Register Office 201/002/478

Joseph Tromans and Hannah
Family 1.

1861
At Plants Green,
All in same house:
James Perry Head Widower 56 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Maria Perry Daur Unm. 30 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Jane Perry Daur Unm. 20 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Thomas Perry Son Unm. 18 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Mary Perry Daur Unm. 15 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
+
Joseph Tromans Head 26 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Hannah Tromans Wife 27 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Samuel Tromans Son 1 b. Rowley Regis

1871
At Tibbetts Gardens
Entry 220
Henry Tromans Head 28 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Jane Tromans Wife 30 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Hannah Tromans Daur 4 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Eliza Tromans Daur 1 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Round Lodger 40 Chain Maker b. Worcs., Kingswinford

Entry 221
Joseph Tromans Head 36 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Hannah Tromans Wife 37 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Tromans Son 11 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Alice Tromans Daur 7 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Patience Tromans Daur 4 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Tromans Daur 11 months b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

Then in 1881 Joseph & Hannah (1) appear to have changed their residence and birthplace to Dudley ... (This family in Rowley Regis and in Dudley are linked by son, Samuel and daughter, Alice in 1891)
1881
At 26 New Town, Dudley, Netherton
Joseph Tromans Head 46 Nailer b. Worcs., Dudley
Hannah Tromans Wife 47 b. Worcs., Dudley
Mary Tromans Daur 10 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Hagar Tromans Daur 9 b. Worcs., Dudley
Mary Tromans Sister Unm. 50 b. Worcs., Dudley

1891
At 26 The Pleck, Dudley, Netherton
Entry 37
Joseph Tromans Head 57 Chain Maker b. Worcs., Dudley
Hannah Tromans Wife 58 b. Worcs., Dudley
Mary Tromans Sister S 60 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Dudley
Samuel Tromans Son Widr. 32 Chain Maker b. Worcs., Dudley
Alice Tromans Daur S 26 General Dom. Servant b. Worcs., Dudley
Mary E Tromans Daur S 20 Chain Maker b. Worcs., Dudley
Hagar Tromans Daur S 18 Chain Maker b. Worcs., Dudle
Hannah M Tromans G. Daur 11 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Joseph Tromans G. Son 7 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Sarah Tromans G. Daur 5 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley

1901
At 26 New Town, Dudley, Netherton
Joseph Tromans Head 66 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Old Hill
Hannah Tromans Wife 67 b. Red Hill, Worcs.
Samuel Tromans Son Wid 41 Chain Maker b. Red Hill, Worcs.
Hagar Tromans Daur S 28 Chain Maker b. Cradley, Worcs.
Joseph H Tromans Grandson 17 Anchor Maker b. Earlstown Lane
Sarah Tromans Granddaur 15 b. Earlstown Lane

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Family 2.

1861 (Transcribed as 'Freeman')
At Black Heath, Rowley Regis
Entry 73
Joseph Truman Head 28 Boiler Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Hannah Truman Wife 23 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Nancy Truman Daur 2 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Alice Truman Daur 5 Mo b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

At Entry 72:
Thomas Tromans Head 51 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Sarah Tromans Wife 50 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Fanny Tromans Daur 20 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Henry Tromans Son 17 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Rebecca Tromans Daur 16 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Tromans Son 15 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Thomas Tromans Son 8 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
This family are on BCC at
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=13076&rand=817956382

1871
At Blakeheath, Rowley Regis
Joseph Tromans Head 36 Boiler Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Hannah Tromans 32 Nail Maker b. Wednesbury, Staffs.
Nancy Tromans 14 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Alice Tromans 11 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
George Tromans 9 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Tromans 3 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Tromans 3 months b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Sarah Siviter 22 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

1881
At 96 The Village, Rowley Regis
Joseph Tromans Head 46 Boiler Maker b. Staffs., Rowley
Hannah Tromans Wife 44 b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Alice Tromans Daur 21 b. Staffs., Rowley
George Tromans Son 17 Boiler Maker b. Staffs., Rowley
Joseph Wm. Tromans Son 13 Boiler Maker b. Staffs., Rowley
Ann Tromans Daur 5 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley
Jane Tromans Daur 2 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

At 100 The Village, Rowley Regis
Matthew Siviter Head 37 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Ann Siviter Wife 36 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Ann Daur Siviter 17 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Saml. Siviter Son 14 General Lab. b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Thomas Siviter Son 12 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
George Siviter Son 5 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Edward Siviter Son 3 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Edith Rebecca Siviter Daur 1 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Ann Tromans Niece 13 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

1891
At 124 High St., Rowley Regis
Joseph Tromans Head Widower 57 Boiler Maker (Journeyman) b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Annie Tromans Daur 15 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Jane Tromans Daur 12 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

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Candidates for the Josephs b. 1833 to 1835 Rowley Regis:
Census 1851:
Joseph Tromans At Rowley Village, b. 1832 father David. Both father and son are nailors born Rowley Regis
Joseph Tromans At Cradley Heath, b. 1834 father Benjamin Labourer. This Joseph is a chainmaker and has a sister, Mary, born abt 1832
Joseph Trowman At New Town, Dudley b. 1835 parents Isaac & Maria. Both father and son are nailors born Rowley Regis. This Joseph has a sister, Mary, born abt 1831. This Mary is deaf & dumb which could have accounted for her being unmarried and living with her brother in 1881 & 91 (Family 1.)

I'm inclined to agree that Joseph of Family 1. is this last Joseph with parents Isaac & Maria.

And I think that Joseph 2. is the one with father David, but this is just a guess.

Joseph Tromans and Hannah
Family 1.

1861
At Plants Green,
All in same house:
James Perry Head Widower 56 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Maria Perry Daur Unm. 30 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Jane Perry Daur Unm. 20 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Thomas Perry Son Unm. 18 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Mary Perry Daur Unm. 15 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
+
Joseph Tromans Head 26 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Hannah Tromans Wife 27 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Samuel Tromans Son 1 b. Rowley Regis

1851
At Red Hall Hill, Rowley Regis
James Perry Head 46 Nailor b. Rowley, Staffordshire
Mary Perry Wife 43 Nailor b. Rowley, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Perry Daur 22 Nailor b. Rowley, Staffordshire
Maria Perry Daur 20 Nailor b. Rowley, Staffordshire
Hannah Perry Daur 17 Nailor b. Rowley, Staffordshire
Sophia Perry Daur 15 Nailor b. Rowley, Staffordshire
Jane Perry Daur 10 Nailor b. Rowley, Staffordshire
Thomas Perry Son 8 Scholar b. Rowley, Staffordshire
Mary Perry Daur Daur 4 Scholar b. Rowley, Staffordshire
Fanny Sivitor Lodger W 64 b. Rowley, Staffordshire

1851
At New Town, Dudley
Isaac Trowman Head 48 Nailor b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Maria Trowman Wife 46 Nailor b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Trowman Daur 25 Nailor b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Trowman Daur 20 Nailor b. Staffs., Rowley Regis Deaf & dumb
Nancy Trowman Daur 18 Nailor b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Trowman Son 16 Nailor b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Ann Trowman Granddaur 2 b. Worcs., Rowley

Previous entry:
John Trowman Head widr. 82 2/6 a week from Parish Jew's Harp maker

These families are surrounded by a great stack of Trowmans in New Town!

1841
At New Street, Rowley Regis
All born in county:
Isaac Troman 35 Nail Maker
Meriah Troman 35
Samuel Troman 15
Hannah Troman 13
Mary Troman 11
Nancy Troman 9
Joseph Troman 7

1861
At Bowling Green, Dudley
Entry 69
Samuel Tromans Head 35 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Tromans Wife 32 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Ann Tromans Daur 13 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John Tromans Son 6 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
James Tromans Son 4 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Isaac Tromans Son 1 b. Worcs., Dudley

Entry 70
Isaac Tromans Head 58 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mariah Tromans Wife 56 Nail Maker b. Edgbaston, Warwick
Mary Tromans Daughter 31 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis Deaf & Dumb
Sarah Hingley Granddaur 4 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley

1871
At 23 New Town:
Mary Tromons Head Wid 84 Annuitant b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

At 24 New Town
Solomon Tromons Head 60 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Sarah Tromons Wife 58 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Edmond Tromons Son 18 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Tromons Son 10 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Thomas Tromons Son Wid 24 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

At 25 New Town:
Isaac Tromons Head 22 Labourer b. Dudley Wood, Worcs.
Elizabeth Tromons Wife 23 Chain Maker b. New Town, Worcs.
Mary Ann Tromons Daur 1 b. New Town, Worcs.

At 26 New Town
Isaac Tromons Head 67 Nail Maker b. New Town, Worcs.
Maria Tromons Wife 66 b. New Town, Worcs.
Mary Tromons Daur Unm. 41 Nail Maker b. New Town, Worcs. Deaf & Dumb
Samuel Tromons Boarder 45 Labourer b. New Town, Worcs.
Elizabeth Tromons Wife 42 b. New Town, Worcs.
John Tromons Son 16 Chain Maker b. New Town, Worcs.
James Tromons Son 14 Chain Maker b. New Town, Worcs.
Isaac Tromons Son 11 b. New Town, Worcs.
Prudence Tromons Daur 7 b. New Town, Worcs.
Hannah Tromons Daur 5 b. New Town, Worcs.
Samuel Tromons Son 5 month b. New Town, Worcs.

Sorry, got obsessed here ...

This looks like Mary Tromans, the hearing impaired lady, in 1901.
1901
At Hingley St., Rowley Regis
Frederick Neale Head 53 Chain Maker employer b. Worcs., Kings Norton
Sarah Neale Wife 46 b. Worcs., Netherton, Dudley
Martha Neale Daur 20 Dressmaker b. Worcs., Netherton, Dudley
Frederick Neale Son 18 Chain Maker b. Worcs., Netherton, Dudley
Ezra Neale Son 17 Chain Maker b. Worcs., Netherton, Dudley
Mary Tromans Aunt 69 b. Worcs., Netherton, Dudley deaf & dumb

Oh, of course! Here are Isaac, Phoebe and Maria on BCC:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =509898726

Knew it all sounded familiar.

And Sarah here:

1861
At Bowling Green, Dudley
Entry 70
Isaac Tromans Head 58 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mariah Tromans Wife 56 Nail Maker b. Edgbaston, Warwick
Mary Tromans Daughter 31 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis Deaf & Dumb
Sarah Hingley Granddaur 4 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley

Is the daughter of Nancy Tromans and James Hingley.

1871
At 7 New Town, Dudley
James Hingley Head 38 Chain Maker b. New Town, Worcs.
Nancy Hingley Wife 39 Chain Maker b. New Town, Worcs.
Sarah Hingley Daur 15 b. New Town, Worcs.
Henry Hingley Son 10 b. New Town, Worcs.
Isaac Hingley Son 7 b. New Town, Worcs.
Mary Hingley Daur 5 b. New Town, Worcs.
Martha Hingley Daur 1 b. New Town, Worcs.

Note that Sarah is not with her parents in 1861 and her mum has just had a new baby, Henry. So Sarah is staying with her grandparents.

1861
At New Town, Dudley
James Hingley Head 26 Chain Maker b. Cradley, Worcs.
Nancy Hingley Wife 28 b. Rowley, Staffs.
Joseph Hingley Son 1 b. Dudley, Worcs.
Henry Hingley Son 1 Mo b. Rowley, Staffs.

1881
At 7 New Town, Dudley
James Hingley Head 49 Chain Maker b. Staffs., New Town
Nancy Hingley Wife 48 b. Worcs., New Town
Mary Hingley Daur 14 b. Worcs., New Town
Isaac Hingley Son 15 b. Worcs., New Town
Pheobe Hingley Daur 10 b. Worcs., New Town

1891
At 7 New Town, Dudley
Nancy Hingley Head Wid 59 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Phoebe Hingley Daur S 20 Chain Maker b. Worcs., Dudley

thank you all for your help but in still very lost
i have a link with isaac tromans his son joseph and his wife hannah there children mary and hagar
im just trying to find who the other joseph and his wife hannah are from with there children still trying to work out this joseph perants are

Ok, so we're after Family 2.