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*Arc tbc* ---Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:04 pm
by peterd
robertgascoigne » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:54 pm
Hello List my main area's of research in this area are the marriage of Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason. I have a death certificate from Cambusnethan,Lanarkshire ,Scotland. The deceased was Benjamin Willetts aged 54 in January1909 the above were the parents . He never married but had several children to a Jane Clive, I wonder if she knew his parents as the children did not know he was their father except when they saw their birth certificates
which stated he was the father. The husband of Jane Clive was a Thomas Clive from West Bromwich son of Mary Clive and Isaac Timmins. The other name I am researching is Thomas Marriott bapt June 9 in Amington I believe is in Warwickshire, Thomas grew up to be a Custom's Inspector. Thomas was the Son of Thomas Marriott of this Parish,and Elizabeth Bennett also of Amington were married by licenceon the 9th September 1818 by Jonas W Hey both signed their names, the witness's were Rachel Wood and Richard Bennett. That is a long introduction
what can we find out about these carnt see them on bcc
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:13 pm
by peterd
age is slightly out could this be him ?
poss right area west brom ?
1881 71 Mayers Green West Bromwich, Stafford
Joseph WILLETTS 34 Netherton, Worcester, Miner (C)
Susannah WILLETTS 34 Worcester,
Esther WILLETTS 9 Netherton, Worcester, Scholar
Ann Maria WILLETTS 8 Netherton, Worcester, Scholar
Hannah WILLETTS 4 Netherton, Worcester, Scholar
Benjamin WILLETTS Boarder U 29 Netherton, Worcester, Miner
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:16 pm
by peterd
carnt find a marriage for willetts / mason ?
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:20 pm
by peterd
1901 42 Bell's Rows Alexander St, Cambusnethan, Wishaw, Lanarkshire
Benjamin Willetts 46
Jane Clive 30
Jane Clive 9
Phoebe Clive 4
William Willetts 2
Sarah Willetts 6 mo
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Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:26 pm
by Maths girl
peterd wrote:1901 42 Bell's Rows Alexander St, Cambusnethan, Wishaw, Lanarkshire
From transcription
Benjamin Willetts 46 Iron Worker b. England
Jane Clive 30 Housekeeper b.England
Jane Clive 9 Boarder
Phoebe Clive 4 Boarder
William Willetts 2 Son
Sarah Willetts 6 mo Daur
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Children born Lanarkshire
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:04 pm
by peterd
I need to go back a few years before this to give the scenario for this tale Jane Parkin of Aspull in Lancashire married Thomas Clive living in Aspull but from West Bromwich ( he was illegitimate) his father was Isiah Timmins.
some more info
this is thomas clive 1881
1881 3 Withington Lane Aspull, Lancashire
Richard GUINETT 37 West Bromwich, Stafford, Puddler At Iron Works
Sarah GUINETT 33 West Bromwich, Stafford, Puddlers Wife
Mary Jane GUINETT 8 Aspull, Lancashire, Scholar
Richard GUINETT 6 Aspull, Lancashire, Scholar
Elizabeth GUINETT 4 Aspull, Lancashire,
Rhoda GUINETT 11 m Aspull, Lancashire,
Thomas CLIVES Boarder 27 West Bromwich, Stafford, Puddler At Iron Works
William CORBETT Boarder 24 Pontypool, Wales Puddler At Iron Works
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:21 pm
by peterd
1891
1891 6 joes ? fold (walsall st) West Bromwich
Caroline Jarvis 28 wid West Bromwich
William E Jarvis 8 West Bromwich
Horace Jarvis 5 West Bromwich
Jane Clive 21 Wigan, Lancashire
Mary E Clive 1 Coatbridge, Scotland
so this is jane that married thomas clive as caroline poss his sister so she in the west brom area in 1891 ?
Marriages Dec 1880
Clive Caroline Timmins W. Bromwich 6b 1132
JARVIS William W. Bromwich 6b 1132
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:40 pm
by Jimmy
1861. Rowley Regis.
James Willetts 49. Chainmaker.
Elizabeth Willetts 39.
Joseph Willetts 17.
Thomas Willetts 12.
Benjamin Willetts 6.
Alfred Willetts 4.
All born Rowley Regis.
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:06 pm
by peterd
peterd wrote:age is slightly out could this be him ?
poss right area west brom ?
1881 71 Mayers Green West Bromwich, Stafford
Joseph WILLETTS 34 Netherton, Worcester, Miner (C)
Susannah WILLETTS 34 Worcester,
Esther WILLETTS 9 Netherton, Worcester, Scholar
Ann Maria WILLETTS 8 Netherton, Worcester, Scholar
Hannah WILLETTS 4 Netherton, Worcester, Scholar
Benjamin WILLETTS Boarder U 29 Netherton, Worcester, Miner
any chance of tracing these back as this is the only single benjamin not married i can find c 1855 ? besides thomas and pheobe martins benjamin ?
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:11 pm
by peterd
this is thomas and pheobe martin
1871
Thomas Willetts 51
Phebe Willetts 48
Thomas Willetts 24
Benjamin Willetts 20
John Willetts 17
Elizabeth Willetts 10
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http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=25880064
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:16 pm
by peterd
peterd wrote:peterd wrote:age is slightly out could this be him ?
poss right area west brom ?
1881 71 Mayers Green West Bromwich, Stafford
Joseph WILLETTS 34 Netherton, Worcester, Miner (C)
Susannah WILLETTS 34 Worcester,
Esther WILLETTS 9 Netherton, Worcester, Scholar
Ann Maria WILLETTS 8 Netherton, Worcester, Scholar
Hannah WILLETTS 4 Netherton, Worcester, Scholar
Benjamin WILLETTS Boarder U 29 Netherton, Worcester, Miner
any chance of tracing these back as this is the only single benjamin not married i can find c 1855 ? besides thomas and pheobe martins benjamin ?
poss 1871halesowen rd dudley
William Aston 26
Mary Aston 26
Sarah Aston 5
Isaiah Hyde 16 lodger
Benjamin Willetts 19 lodger, miner, Netherton, Worcestershire,
this might be him as this benjamin living in halesowen rd in 1851 ,61
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =907545783
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:23 pm
by peterd
there this one right age ?
1871 7 ? place dudley
William Overfield 28
Maria Overfield 21
John Overfield 1
Sarah Willetts 57 wife mother
Benjamin Willetts 15 wife bro Nailer Dudley
Joseph Overfield 21 brother
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:43 pm
by peterd
any one with find my past
could you please do a search for a benjamin willetts (not exact match) c 1850 to 1860 as there is none on ancestry i can find ? in 1851 census thanks pete
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:33 pm
by linell
There are just two coming up in 1861 Staffordshire, did you mean 1861 Pete
1861 Halesowen Road Dudley
WILLETTS, John Head Married M 41 1820 Carter
Netherton
Worcestershire
WILLETTS, Maria Wife Married F 41 1820
Dudley
Worcestershire
WILLETTS, Thomas Son Unmarried M 22 1839 Miner
Dudley
Worcestershire
WILLETTS, John Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Miner
Netherton
Worcestershire
WILLETTS, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Common Nail Maker
Netherton
Worcestershire
WILLETTS, Joseph Son Unmarried M 14 1847 Miner
Netherton
Worcestershire
WILLETTS, Benjamin Son Unmarried M 9 1852 Scholar
Netherton
Worcestershire
WILLETTS, William Son Unmarried M 6 1855 Scholar
Netherton
Worcestershire
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Also in Fox Oak Cradley Heath
James Willetts 49 Chainmaker RR
Elizabeth Wife 59 RR
Benjamin 6 RR
We also have Benjamin born 1851 in Wednesbury son of Thomas Willetts and Phoebe Martin, he didn't come up in the search. Linell.
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:36 pm
by peterd
meant the 1851 census linell as couldnt find any on ancestry all benjamin willetts born between 1850 and 1860 to see who are poss parents ?