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Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:13 pm
by peterd
right started a new topic for this purpose can anyone find parent john and elizabeth in early census with any kids and any parish records of christening to verify this data off ancestry
An Ancestry tree has ...
John Withers (1772 Halesowen) m. Elizabeth Bache (1771) on 22 May 1796
Children:
John 1797 - 1871
Thomas 1800 - 1870
Joseph 1802 - 1857
Edward 1805 - 1892 *
Henry 1809 - 1884
Charles 1812 - 1890
William 1815 - 1855
Elizabeth 1819 - 1821
Elizabeth 1821
cheers pete
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:09 pm
by rockyfowler
WITHERS, Charles M 28 1813 Shropshire
WITHERS, Phebe F 28 1813 Shropshire
WITHERS, John M 8 1833 Shropshire
WITHERS, David M 5 1836 Shropshire
WITHERS, George M 3 1838 Shropshire
WITHERS, Samuel M 0 (1 months) 1841 Shropshire
Address:
Spring Hill, Halesowen, Hasbury County: 1841cens
Shropshire
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:44 pm
by linell
1851 Census Halesowen:-
Wall Well Hasbury
Joseph Withers 33 Brick Kiln Lab born Kidderminster
Mary Wife 36 Lutley
Samuel 19 Lutley
James 15 Lutley
Joseph 14 Lutley
Alfred 8 Lutley
John 7 Lutley
George 5 Kidderminster
Spring Hill Hasbury (22)
Henry Withers 41 Sawyer Halesowen
Sarah Wife 41 H/O
Sarah 16 H/O
Henry 14 H/O
Charles 12 Hasbury
Joseph 10 Hasbury
George 8 Hasbury
Spring Hill Hasbury (23)
Edward Withers 45 Sawyer RR
Sarah Wife 39 Hagley
Edward 16 Hasbury
Henry 13 Hasbury
Thomas 8 Hasbury
Spring Hill Hasbury (26)
Joseph Withers 48 Timber Dealer and Farmer born Kinver
Mary Wife 38 Kingswinford
Spring Hill Hasbury (34)
Charles Withers 39 Sawyer Halesowen
Phoebe Wife 38 H/O
David 13 Hasbury
George 11 Hasbury
Samuel 10 Hasbury
Mary 8 Hasbury
Hannah 6 Hasbury
Charles 2 Hasbury
Spring Hill Hasbury (90)
Edward Withers 23 Sawyer Dodderhill Worcs
Eliza Wife 23 RR
Benjamin 1 Hasbury
Gaunts Fold Halesowen (47)
John Withers 54 Sawyer RR
Ann Wife 54 H/O
Thomas 18 Sawyer Lye
Marianne 14 Lye
Gaunts Fold Halesowen (48)
Henry Withers 24 Labourer H/O
Elizabeth Wife 24 H/O
Ellen 6 H/O
Henry 4 H/O
Birmingham Street Halesowen
Joseph Withers 31 Sawyer Halesowen
Leonora (Bayliss) Wife 29 Halesowen
Phoebe 11 H/O
Mary Ann 9 H/O
Thomas 4 H/O
Elizabeth 1 H/O
Great Cornbow Halesowen
Thomas Withers 50 Timber Dealer Kinver
Sophia Wife 49 H/O
Hellen 19 H/O
Elizabeth GD 6 Halesowen
Bull Ring (which is off Cornbow) Halesowen
John Withers 31 Sawyer Halesowen
Phoebe Wife 27 H/O
Mary Ann 9 H/O
Olive 7 H/O
John 7 H/O
Hellen 2 H/O
That is all the Withers in Halesowen in 1851. All these Sawyers and Timber Dealer's must be connected, strange how some of them are born in different places, some of the places of birth are maybe wild guesses
Linell.
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:59 pm
by peterd
ive got most of this on the henry withers topic what im looking for is proof that this list of children beolong to john withers srn and elizabeth bache in the form of christening ? or john and elizabeth in early census ?
John 1797 - 1871
Thomas 1800 - 1870
Joseph 1802 - 1857
Edward 1805 - 1892 *
Henry 1809 - 1884
Charles 1812 - 1890
William 1815 - 1855
Elizabeth 1819 - 1821
Elizabeth 1821
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:05 pm
by Maths girl
Here are this set
linell wrote:1851 Census:-
Gaunts Fold Halesowen (47)
John Withers 54 Sawyer RR
Ann Wife 54 H/O
Thomas 18 Sawyer Lye
Marianne 14 Lye
in
1841
Gaunts Foto ? Halesowen
John Wither 40 Sawyer
Ann Wither 40
Richard Wither 15
Edward Wither 10
Charles Wither 8
Mary Ann Wither 5
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:09 pm
by Maths girl
peterd wrote:ive got most of this on the henry withers topic what im looking for is proof that this list of children beolong to john withers srn and elizabeth bache in the form of christening ? or john and elizabeth in early census ?
John 1797 - 1871
Thomas 1800 - 1870
Joseph 1802 - 1857
Edward 1805 - 1892 *
Henry 1809 - 1884
Charles 1812 - 1890
William 1815 - 1855
Elizabeth 1819 - 1821
Elizabeth 1821
Possible for William with Grandmother?
1841 Preston Gubbals
Elener Withers 80
William Withers 25
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:14 pm
by linell
peterd wrote:ive got most of this on the henry withers topic what im looking for is proof that this list of children beolong to john withers srn and elizabeth bache in the form of christening ? or john and elizabeth in early census ?
John 1797 - 1871
Thomas 1800 - 1870
Joseph 1802 - 1857
Edward 1805 - 1892 *
Henry 1809 - 1884
Charles 1812 - 1890
William 1815 - 1855
Elizabeth 1819 - 1821
Elizabeth 1821
Oh thanks Pete you mean I did all that for nothing
The first entry in the Halesowen Register is for a Mary Buried June 1769 DA of John and Sarah Withers.
Baptism for a Mary March 1770 to a John and Elizabeth.
Can't see any of your list above Pete, will have a better look tomorrow, Linell.
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:16 pm
by Maths girl
peterd wrote:or john and elizabeth in early census ?
John Withers (1772 Halesowen) m. Elizabeth Bache (1771) on 22 May 1796
These two could well be dead by the 1841 census - there are certainly several John and Elizabeth deaths recorded in the years 1837-1841 in Shropshire/Staffordshire
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:22 pm
by Jimmy
All extracted.
ELIZABETH WITHERS.
Birth, 08 APR 1819.
Christening, 25 DEC 1819, Halesowen, Worcester
Death, 26 JAN 1821.
Parents:
JOHN WITHERS.
ELIZABETH.
Elizabeth Withers.
Birth, 08 APR 1819.
Christening, 25 DEC 1819, Shropshire
Parents:
John Withers.
Elizabeth Withers.
JOHN WITHIES.
ELIZABETH BACHE.
Marriage, 22 MAY 1796, Kinver, Stafford.
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:32 pm
by Jimmy
All extracted.
JOHN WITHAYS.
Christening, 04 JUN 1797, Kinver, Stafford
Parents:
JOHN WITHAYS.
ELIZABETH.
THOMAS WITHEYS.
Christening, 16 MAR 1800, Kinver, Stafford
Parents:
JOHN WITHEYS.
ELIZ.
JOHN WITHERS.
Christening, 17 NOV 1802, Kinver, Stafford
Parents:
JOHN WITHERS.
ELIZ.
EDWARD WITHEY.
Christening, 20 OCT 1805, Kinver, Stafford.
Parents:
JOHN WITHEY.
ELIZABETH.
HENRY WHITLEY.
Christening, 21 MAY 1809, Kinver, Stafford
Parents:
JOHN WHITLEY.
ELIZABETH.
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:35 pm
by Jimmy
Extracted.
CHARLES WITHEYS.
Christening, 11 OCT 1812, Halesowen, Worcester
Parents:
JOHN WITHEYS.
ELIZABETH.
WILLIAM WITHYS.
Christening, 26 MAR 1815, Halesowen, Worcester
Parents:
JOHN WITHYS.
ELIZABETH.
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:43 pm
by Maths girl
By my reckoning presuming that John 1802 was called Joseph that just leaves Elizabeth 1821 unaccounted for!
Well done Jimmy
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:46 pm
by Jimmy
Burial.
21 Sep 1837, Elizabeth WITHERS. age 59. Borough.
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:02 pm
by peterd
Jimmy wrote:All extracted.
JOHN WITHAYS.
Christening, 04 JUN 1797, Kinver, Stafford
Parents:
JOHN WITHAYS.
ELIZABETH.
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http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =896662868poss marriage
John WITHERS Ann MOORE Marriage: 17 FEB 1817 Old Swinford, Worcester
THOMAS WITHEYS.
Christening, 16 MAR 1800, Kinver, Stafford
Parents:
JOHN WITHEYS.
ELIZ.
bcc
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =450642059JOHN WITHERS.
Christening, 17 NOV 1802, Kinver, Stafford
Parents:
JOHN WITHERS.
ELIZ.
poss joseph ?EDWARD WITHEY.
Christening, 20 OCT 1805, Kinver, Stafford.
Parents:
JOHN WITHEY.
ELIZABETH.
bcc
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =896662868HENRY
WHITLEY.Christening, 21 MAY 1809, Kinver, Stafford
Parents:
JOHN WHITLEY.
ELIZABETH.
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http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =727279887Jimmy wrote:All extracted.
ELIZABETH WITHERS.
Birth, 08 APR 1819.
Christening, 25 DEC 1819, Halesowen, Worcester
Death, 26 JAN 1821.
Parents:
JOHN WITHERS.
ELIZABETH.
Elizabeth Withers.
Birth, 08 APR 1819.
Christening, 25 DEC 1819, Shropshire
Parents:
John Withers.
Elizabeth Withers.
JOHN WITHIES.
ELIZABETH BACHE.
Marriage, 22 MAY 1796, Kinver, Stafford.
cheers jimmy
Re: Withers
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:15 pm
by peterd
linell wrote:peterd wrote:ive got most of this on the henry withers topic what im looking for is proof that this list of children beolong to john withers srn and elizabeth bache in the form of christening ? or john and elizabeth in early census ?
John 1797 - 1871
Thomas 1800 - 1870
Joseph 1802 - 1857
Edward 1805 - 1892 *
Henry 1809 - 1884
Charles 1812 - 1890
William 1815 - 1855
Elizabeth 1819 - 1821
Elizabeth 1821
Oh thanks Pete you mean I did all that for nothing
The first entry in the Halesowen Register is for a Mary Buried June 1769 DA of John and Sarah Withers.
Baptism for a Mary March 1770 to a John and Elizabeth.
Can't see any of your list above Pete, will have a better look tomorrow, Linell.
no not a watse will fill in the gaps