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I am adding info to BCC from someones tree who sadly passed away and checking as I go of course.

But ahead of the marriage look up for this Elizabeth Brown it is bugging me
I think this must be her married name
so wondered if we can suss it out

also the Grandson of Elizabeth marries a Mary Ellen Brown I wondered if it loops back in so a double link?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =100120489

I think on one census she had a George Brown living with them
can we find some census for this couple Elizabeth Brown (b 1821) and hubby John Jay( b 1825)
I think it is her second marriage

Is this them.
1881.
John JAY. Head. M. Male. 56. Tedstone Delamere, Hereford, Iron Works Labourer.
Elizabeth JAY. Wife. M. Female. 60. Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Joseph JAY. Son. U. Male. 19. Brierley Hill, Stafford, Iron Worker.
Samuel Thos JAY. Son. U. Male. 17. Brierley Hill, Stafford, Iron Worker.
Elizabeth BROWN. Grand Daur. Female. 13. Brierley Hill, Stafford.

Wallace Street.
Kingswinford, Stafford.

If she had a grand daughter in 1881, them she could have been married before, or had a least a child out of wedlock.

Jimmy wrote:If she had a grand daughter in 1881, them she could have been married before, or had a least a child out of wedlock.

I agree and I think she links in later or rather her Browns do with who her grandson married.

can anyone find this lot on the 1871 pls

1871 Dudley Street Brierley Hill
John Jay HD 46 Labourer born Hereford
Elizabeth Wife 46
James Son 11
Joseph Son 9
Samuel Son 6
George Brown Son In Law 21 Puddler
William Field Son In Law 24 Banksman
Mary A Field DA 29

All born Kingswinford except for John.

FIELD William BROWN Mary A Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/003/487 1870

1861Dudley Street Brierley Hill
JOHN JAY Head Married 37 yrs Coal Boat Loader born Tedston Hereford
ELIZABETH JAY Wife Married 37 born Kingswinford
JAMES JAY Son 1 yrs
JOHN BROWN Step Son 21 yrs
WILLIAM BROWN " 17 yrs
EDWARD BROWN " 15 yrs
GEORGE BROWN " 11 yrs
HANNAH BROWN Step daughter 9 yrs
ELIZABETH BROWN Step daughter 13

1851 Dudley Road Brierley Hill
Edwin Brown 33 Shingler born Kinver
Elizabeth Wife 27 Kingswinford
Mary Ann DA 9
William Son 7
Edward Son 5
Elizabeth DA 3
George Son 1

Edwin Brown Married Elizabeth Russell 11.11.1838 St Thomas Dudley
IGI Record says Father George Brown

Linell.

nice work Lin....

so this father George Brown
wonder when he was born?

The Browns I have to connect to for this lot are

Elizabeths Grandson marries a Mary Ellen Brown b 1896
her father is a John Alfred Brown b abt 1872
his father is a John Brown maybe a grocer...dob unknown
and that is all I have

but I bet Edwin and father George link somehow

Hi NL, have altered 1861 Census after checking the image, the Brown children are all Step. James Jay is Son. So that all pans out. Will have a look round for George Brown and Mary Ellen.

1841 Crowley Place Kingswinford
Edwin Brown 20 Shingler Yes
Elizabeth 20 Yes
Edwin 1 Yes

Later from Linell.

1901 Pensnett Kingswinford
Samuel T Wright Fitter Ironworks born Old Hill Staffs
Mary Wife 54 (Ancestry say 59) Bilston
Phoebe E DA S 20 Harts Hill Dudley
Samuel T Son S 18 Brierley Hill
Mary E Brown Granddaughter 8 Brierley Hill

Couldn't find a Mary E with father John in the Kingswinford area

Edwin Brown bap 25.12.1818 Kinver to George and Mary

HTH Linell.

We have Mary Ellen here

1901 Census 4, Stafford Street, Bilston
John A Brown, head, 29, Maltsters Clerk, Sedgley
Mary J, wife, 29,
Mary E, daur, 4,
Dora N?, daur, 3
All others born Biston

So Edwin has father George and mother Mary
Edwin is b abt 1818

So chasing back this John Alfred Brown b abt 1872 with father a John Brown maybe a Grocer (maybe b abt 1830)
John Brown father might be a cousin for Edwin?

or John Brown the grocer might be another son for George and Mary

Northern Lass wrote:We have Mary Ellen here

1901 Census 4, Stafford Street, Bilston
John A Brown, head, 29, Maltsters Clerk, Sedgley
Mary J, wife, 29,
Mary E, daur, 4,
Dora N?, daur, 3
All others born Biston

Oh well done NL, how did I miss that

Wasn't looking in Bilston obviously.

Later from Linell.

Northern Lass wrote:We have Mary Ellen here

1901 Census 4, Stafford Street, Bilston
John A Brown, head, 29, Maltsters Clerk, Sedgley
Mary J, wife, 29,
Mary E, daur, 4,
Dora N?, daur, 3
All others born Biston

Still with this John Alfred Brown
I am trying to find his parents

I have a note that his father is a John and his mother is an Anne
but nothing else
can anyone see this John Alfred on earlier census before marriage in 1896

The only one I can see is this one, if someone can check out the full details.

1881. 22 Stafford St, Bilston.
John Davies, 61. Labourer At Limeworks.
Ellen Davies, 54. born Bilston.
John Brown, 9. Grandson, born Bilston.
Selina Hatches, 22. Visitor, born Sedgley.

1891. Bilston.
John A Brown, abt 1872. Grandson, born Sedgley.