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It's been archived now Bertie Solomon Bate but this is his daddy Solomon Bate.

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1851 Cradley Heath
Elizabeth Bradley 40 head
Emma Bate 21 daugh
Thomas Hasberry 53 lodger boiler maker born Hawarden,Flintshire

1861 Tibbetts Gardens Rowley Regis
Emma Bate 28 head nailor born Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Bradley 53 mother born Halesowen
Thomas Bradley 60 father labourer born Bewdley
Solomon Bate 7 son

1871 Tibbetts Gardens Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Bradley 66 widower
Emma Bradley 41 daugh
Solomon Bradley 17 grandson Chainmaker

Despite the name changes these seem to me the correct people for Solomon Bate born 1847 Cradley Heath.
However before entering on BCC need to be certain!!
Who was was Emma Bradley nee Bate married to?
Where did Thomas Bradley born in Bewdley suddenly appear from 1861 census?

Hi Rob

There is a Thomas at Four Ways in 1851

Thomas Bradley lodger mar 53 labourer Worces Bewdley Forest

lodging with aston family who are beer sellers (handy) and there is a Benjamin Nock aged 55 lodging too.

PS I think in 1861 Thomas Bradley is down as father in law, whereas Elizabeth is simply mother. Not sure if that makes any difference.(Crossed with Di's post)

I think Elizabeth was originally married to a 'Bate' who was Emma's father, then married Thomas Bradley. At first (1851 & 1861), Emma went by the name of 'Bate' and had an illegitimate child, Solomon, under that name, then (1871) both Emma and Solomon went by the surname of Emma's stepfather, Thomas Bradley.
On the image of the 1861 census, Thomas is actually down as Emma's Father-in-law.

Rob wrote:1851 Cradley Heath
Elizabeth Bradley 40 head Mar Nail Maker b. Halesowen, Worcs.
Emma Bate 21 daugh Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis, Staffs.
Thomas Hasberry 53 lodger boiler maker born Hawarden,Flintshire
Elizabeth is said to be married at this time, so Thomas Bradley may be elsewhere.

1861 Tibbetts Gardens Rowley Regis
Emma Bate 28 head nailor born Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Bradley 53 mother born Halesowen
Thomas Bradley 60 Father-in-law labourer born Bewdley
Solomon Bate 7 son b. Staffs., Rowley

1871 Tibbetts Gardens Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Bradley 66 widower b. Worcs., Halesowen
Emma Bradley 41 daugh b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Solomon Bradley 17 grandson Chainmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
?

1841
At Tibbots Gardens, Rowley Regis
Thos Bradley 40 Ag. labourer No
Elizebeth Bradley 30 No
Joseph Yardley 35 Chain M Yes
Edward Heyner 30 Shoe M No
Emma Bates 13 Yes

So If Elizabeth Bate/s married Thomas Bradley, it was before 1841

IGI Extracted entry:
THOMAS BRADLEY
Spouse: ELIZABETH BATE
Marriage: 09 SEP 1833 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Interesting ... this marriage is around the same time that Emma was born.

dianel wrote:1841
At Tibbots Gardens, Rowley Regis
Thos Bradley 40 Ag. labourer No
Elizebeth Bradley 30 No
Joseph Yardley 35 Chain M Yes
Edward Heyner 30 Shoe M No
Emma Bates 13 Yes

So If Elizabeth Bate/s married Thomas Bradley, it was before 1841

Possibly

9 sep 1833 St Martins Birmingham
Thomas Bradley and Elizabeth Bate IGI extracted

There is this Extracted entry:
EMMA BATE
Christening: 26 FEB 1837 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Age at Christening: 9
Mother: ELIZABETH BATE

dianel wrote:There is this Extracted entry:
EMMA BATE
Christening: 26 FEB 1837 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Age at Christening: 9
Mother: ELIZABETH BATE

Good one Di!

Transcript says gives Elizabeth as from Hasbury, nailer.

No fewer than 46 baptisms performed on that day

Nothing's certain though is it?
Do we need look ups? Probably right?

Rob wrote:Nothing's certain though is it?
Do we need look ups? Probably right?

Yes is the answer there!
and I have altered the dob you put in for Solomon

oh and don't add the marriage as Dec that is the qtr
just put the year and the church
I will delete the dec

dianel wrote:I think Elizabeth was originally married to a 'Bate' who was Emma's father, then married Thomas Bradley. At first (1851 & 1861), Emma went by the name of 'Bate' and had an illegitimate child, Solomon, under that name, then (1871) both Emma and Solomon went by the surname of Emma's stepfather, Thomas Bradley.
On the image of the 1861 census, Thomas is actually down as Emma's Father-in-law.

Rob wrote:1851 Cradley Heath
Elizabeth Bradley 40 head Mar Nail Maker b. Halesowen, Worcs.
Emma Bate 21 daugh Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis, Staffs.
Thomas Hasberry 53 lodger boiler maker born Hawarden,Flintshire
Elizabeth is said to be married at this time, so Thomas Bradley may be elsewhere.

1861 Tibbetts Gardens Rowley Regis
Emma Bate 28 head nailor born Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Bradley 53 mother born Halesowen
Thomas Bradley 60 Father-in-law labourer born Bewdley
Solomon Bate 7 son b. Staffs., Rowley

1871 Tibbetts Gardens Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Bradley 66 widower b. Worcs., Halesowen
Emma Bradley 41 daugh b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Solomon Bradley 17 grandson Chainmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
?

Rob if and when you add any of this
it is important to pick up the correct info on the Census!

1881.
Emily WESTWOOD. Head. W. Female. 43. Dursley, Gloucester, Dress Maker.
Louisa BATE. Daur. M. Female. 20. Cradley Heath, Stafford, Chain Maker.
James WESTWOOD. Son. Male. 11 Quarry Bank, Stafford, Scholar.
Solomon BATE. Son In Law. M Male. 24 Cradley Heath, Stafford, Chain Maker.
Benjamin BATE. Grandson. Male. 1 Cradley Heath, Stafford.

High Street.
Kingswinford, Stafford.

][/quote]Rob if and when you add any of this
it is important to pick up the correct info on the Census![/quote]

I'm not adding anything !!
I'll leave that to the more experienced Genealogists!!

Rob wrote:]

Rob if and when you add any of this
it is important to pick up the correct info on the Census![/quote]

I'm not adding anything !!
I'll leave that to the more experienced Genealogists!![/quote]

Oh here we go!
thought so.....well what is the point of putting it on

I am gonna wag my finger at you!!

You put it on!
You are quite capable
and it gives me a bit of sport when you do it wrong

bless
xx

Despite my misgivings i've put this on BCC.
I have not added Thomas Bradley because it's not yet certain if he's the father of Emma Bate (Bradley)!!
Where does the name of Bate come into this?
Was Emma born Bate or Bradley?
Was Elizabeth Bradley married to someone called Bate?