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Hi all am looking for this family:-

Joseph Grove born about 1819, he says RR but could be Cradley Worcs, Father Samuel.

I have Joseph in 1851 and 1861 Overend Cradley.
He Married twice 1)Selva Mansell 29.12.1844 Cradley and 2) Esther Jones 5.4.1847 Old Swinford.

Selva died 1845, she had one daughter Ellen Sylvia Grove 1844 Cradley. Ellen is with her Father in 1851 and 1861.

I am really looking for Joseph in 1841 and would love to know what happened to Ellen after 1861.

I have the relevant later details for Joseph and Esther, not really looking for anything on them, just Joseph 1841 and anything on Ellen after 1861.

Many thanks from Linell.

who are the witnesses on marriage cert's linell do they give any clue ?

this is the only marriage within the local area i can find for a samuel 1800 -1820

SAMUEL GROVE
SARAH WHITEHOUSE
Marriage: 08 SEP 1805 Old Swinford, Worcester,

there are others brum, tettenhall, etc


pre 1800

SAMUEL GROVE
Spouse: MARY FIELD
Marriage: 17 SEP 1793 Halesowen, Worcester

SAMUEL GROVE
Spouse: MARGARET TONKIS
Marriage: 16 DEC 1795 Old Swinford, Worcester

this one submitted
SAMUEL GROVE
Spouse: NANCY OR ANN DUTTON
Marriage: 01 SEP 1795 Halesowen, Worcester

SAMUEL GROVE
Spouse: MARY PRICE
Marriage: 12 NOV 1797 Old Swinford, Worcester



these might help to narrow down who poss joseph parents if we can find these on 1841 census to see where there at and who with them



there is a poss joseph not at home but lodging ?

Thanks for looking Pete, any of those Samuel Marriages could be the one? Yes indeed Joseph could be 'lodging' in 1841. The Witnesses for the two Marriages were on both accounts his wives relations, Selva's sister Sarah and her husband, and the Marriage to Esther, that was Esther's sister and a George Jones, who may have been her father.

Joseph does seem to be without any family, none has turned up yet?

I'll have another search of the 1841 Census.

Cheers from Linell.

Think the name Ellen is significant. Joseph's Daughter Ellen Sylvia, the Sylvia is after her Mother, the Ellen could be Joseph's mother?

Linell.

poss not far

Samuel Groves
Ellen Elizabeth Lowe
Marriage: 12 MAR 1898 West Bromwich,

any one find these in 1841 ?

peterd wrote:this is the only marriage within the local area i can find for a samuel 1800 -1820

SAMUEL GROVE
SARAH WHITEHOUSE
Marriage: 08 SEP 1805 Old Swinford, Worcester,

there are others brum, tettenhall, etc


pre 1800

SAMUEL GROVE
Spouse: MARY FIELD
Marriage: 17 SEP 1793 Halesowen, Worcester

SAMUEL GROVE
Spouse: MARGARET TONKIS
Marriage: 16 DEC 1795 Old Swinford, Worcester

this one submitted
SAMUEL GROVE
Spouse: NANCY OR ANN DUTTON
Marriage: 01 SEP 1795 Halesowen, Worcester

SAMUEL GROVE
Spouse: MARY PRICE
Marriage: 12 NOV 1797 Old Swinford, Worcester



these might help to narrow down who poss joseph parents if we can find these on 1841 census to see where there at and who with them



there is a poss joseph not at home but lodging ?

Not sure if any help but I'll post just in case...

1841: Cradley Forge, Halesowen, Worc
Sand Grove 75 Refiner (Saml on actual image) born in county
Mary Grove 65 born in county

1841: Cradley Forge, Halesowen, Worc
Sand Grove 75 Refiner (Saml on actual image) born in county
Mary Grove 65 born in county

Thanks again San, you should get on here more often That 1841 find is very interesting, Mary would have been 45 when Joseph was born, not impossible. Shame Joseph is not to be found in 1841. Don't think I will get any further with this, unless I purchase Samuel and Mary's death certs and see if Joseph is down as 'present at death.'

Will ask NL to archive this for now, until I can find some more information

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