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Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Fri May 22, 2026 4:19 pm
by mjay
Private 14610 Richard Bartley
Abt 1892 -26/9/1915 (23)
https://www.tiptonremembers.net/index.p ... ey-richard

Dob abt 1892
Richard Bartley
Registration Date 1892
Quarter of the Year Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Place Dudley, Staffordshire, England
Volume 6c
Page 58

Baptism -

Parents John Bartley & Maria O'hara

Parents Marriage
11/3/1888 Worcestershire Dudley St James
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 384
Marriage date 11 Mar 1888
Groom forename John
Groom surname BARTLEY
Groom age 28
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation Moulder
Groom abode Oakeywell St., Dudley
Bride forename Maria
Bride surname O'HARA
Bride age 28
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Oakeywell St., Dudley
Groom father forename Joseph
Groom father surname BARTLEY
Groom father occupation Moulder
Bride father forename Patrick
Bride father surname O'HARA
Bride father occupation Shoemaker
Witness1 Benjamin WALLET
Witness2 Rosanna BURTON
Notes Groom, Bride & Witnesses sign X
File line number 384

1901 29 Walton St Tipton
John Bartley 45 Head Can't read occupation Manchester
Maria Bartley 38 Wife
John Bartley 10 Son
Richard Bartley 9 Son
Sarah Ann Bartley 6 Daughter
Willie Bartley 3 Son
All others born Tipton

Father Died 1902
John Bartley
Age 43
Estimated Birth Year abt 1859
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Death Date Jun 1902
Inferred Death Place Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Volume 6b
Page 341

Burial
Staffordshire Bilston Cemetery (Unconsecrated Grounds)
Register type Other Register
Register entry number 2920
Burial date 29 Apr 1902
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname BARTLEY
Person age 43
Burial person abode Shubbery Street
Notes Brought from St. Matthew's parish. Public grave 596

Mother Died 1905
Maria Bartley
Age 45
Estimated Birth Year abt 1860
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place Dudley, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Death Date Mar 1905
Inferred Death Place Staffordshire, United Kingdom

Burial
Staffordshire Tipton Alexandra Road Cemetery
Register type Other Register
Register entry number 15076
Burial date 19 Jan 1905
Burial person forename Maria
Burial person surname BARTLEY
Person age 45
Volume 6c
Page 18

1911 10 Holm Flat, Parkgate, Rotherham, Yorkshire.
Rose Fletcher 36 Head
Annie Fletcher 12 Daughter
John Charles Fletcher 10 Son
Ed Budram 45 Boarder
Richard Bartly 20 Boarder Under Ground Pony Driver (colliery)
Thomas Stray 74 Boarder
Elizebeth Stray 78 Boarder

1911 Census
Can't find Sister Sarah Anne
Brother's John & Willie were adapoted and living with Aunts & Uncles

WW1 Records
Private 14610 Richard Bartley
Killed in Action on Sunday, 26th September 1915, age 23.
Commemorated on Panel 105 and 106 of Loos Memorial, Pas De Calais, France.
10th Bn., York & Lancaster Regiment. 63rd Brigade of 21st Division.
In lodgings at 14 Holm Flat, Parkgate, Rotherham, Yorkshire.
Born: Tipton Green, Enlisted: Rotherham, Resident: Unknown.
First landed France & Flanders, 10th September 1915.
Medal entitlement: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal.
Soldier's Papers at National Archives survived and transcribed.

Dod 26/9/1915 (23) France

Burial Private Richard Bartley has no known grave

www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/727261/

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/140 ... rd-bartley

Commemorated on Panel 105 and 106 of Loos Memorial, Pas De Calais, France.
Not commemorated on any Tipton memorial

Re: Richard Bartley

Posted: Fri May 22, 2026 4:37 pm
by mjay
I believe Richards Father John Bartley is here on bcc with his parents ??

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=684741


I've started adding
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =417422755

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 5:23 am
by peterd
can this be archived

Re: Richard Bartley

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 11:13 am
by mjay
mjay wrote: Fri May 22, 2026 4:37 pm I believe Richards Father John Bartley is here on bcc with his parents ??

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=684741


I've started adding
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =417422755
Not yet Pete
Once the above is verified I will add to bcc first

Thanks

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:05 pm
by peterd
1901

Head John Bartley 45 it says boat loader on my heritage
Wife Maria Bartley 38
Son John Bartley 10
Son Richard Bartley 9
Daughter Sarah Ann Bartley 6
Son Willie Bartley 3

it says born Tipton and his wife born Manchester

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:33 pm
by peterd
few more sibling marriages

Siblings of john

Sarah Anne Timmins (born Bartley) 1845 - 1915

Priscilla Jevens (born Bartley) 1851 - ?

Mary Bartley 1855 - ?

William Bartley 1847 - ?

Joseph Bartley 1855 - ?

Rachel Walton (born Bartley) 1861 - 1942

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:35 pm
by peterd
Marriages Jun 1871
BARTLEY Priscilla Dudley 6c 205
JEVENS Musther Dudley 6c 205

this must be prudence on the 1881 census

1881 Census Court 6 House 2 Watery Lane Tipton Dudley Staffs.
Joseph Bartley Head 58 Moulder
Lucy Bartley wife 58 born Birmingham Warks.
Mary Bartley dau 24
John Bartley son 22
Rachel Bartley dau 20
Prudence Jevons lodger 30 (wid)
Mary Ann Jevons dau 10
Rest born Tipton Staffs.


Rachael ?

Marriage to: William Walton
Nov 13 1881 St James, Dudley, Worcester, England

this looks like it

BARTLEY Rachael WORTON William 1881 Dudley, St James West Midlands Dudley Register Office 202/009/97

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:57 pm
by peterd
this also looks like mary bartley on twice this one by MJ

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=686755

this one by mumbles different code line but both ending in 686755

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=686755

Marriage
1/6/1884 Staffordshire Tipton St Martin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 301
Marriage date 01 Jun 1884
Groom forename Richard
Groom surname GIBBONS
Groom age 24
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation Puddler
Groom abode Tipton
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname BARTLEY
Bride age 25
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Tipton
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname GIBBONS
Groom father occupation Miller
Bride father forename Joseph
Bride father surname BARTLEY
Bride father occupation Moulder
Witness1 William WALTON
Witness2 Sarah Ann PARSONS
Notes All parties sign by mark. Groom's father deceased.


is William Rachael husband ?

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2026 7:44 am
by kdwoodie
Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church name (Links to more information) St James
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 97
Marriage date 13 Nov 1881
Groom forename William
Groom surname WORTON
Groom age 22
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation Puddler
Groom abode Dudley
Bride forename Rachel
Bride surname BARTLEY
Bride age 21
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Dudley
Groom father forename William
Groom father surname WORTON
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename Joseph
Bride father surname BARTLEY
Bride father occupation Moulder
Witness1 George WHITEHOUSE
Witness2 Mary BARTLEY
Notes Groom, Bride & Witnesses sign X

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2026 1:31 pm
by peterd
kdwoodie wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 7:44 am Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church name (Links to more information) St James
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 97
Marriage date 13 Nov 1881
Groom forename William
Groom surname WORTON
Groom age 22
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation Puddler
Groom abode Dudley
Bride forename Rachel
Bride surname BARTLEY
Bride age 21
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Dudley
Groom father forename William
Groom father surname WORTON
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename Joseph
Bride father surname BARTLEY
Bride father occupation Moulder
Witness1 George WHITEHOUSE
Witness2 Mary BARTLEY
Notes Groom, Bride & Witnesses sign X


wonder why the tree on my heritage has him down as a walton unless he mis transcribed it? as same date and church and bride

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2026 5:36 pm
by mjay
peterd wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:33 pm few more sibling marriages

Siblings of john

Sarah Anne Timmins (born Bartley) 1845 - 1915

Priscilla Jevens (born Bartley) 1851 - ?

Mary Bartley 1855 - ?

William Bartley 1847 - ?

Joseph Bartley 1855 - ?

Rachel Walton (born Bartley) 1861 - 1942
Thanks both :thumbup:

Just trying to get my head around everything you've both found.

Are we agreed that this is Richards father and siblings here ?
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=684741

And this is Richards mother here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =417422755

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:44 am
by peterd
yes as father is the same job is the same for john and mary marriage comparing it to his sibling marriage

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 3:49 pm
by mjay
peterd wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:35 pm Marriages Jun 1871
BARTLEY Priscilla Dudley 6c 205
JEVENS Musther Dudley 6c 205

this must be prudence on the 1881 census

1881 Census Court 6 House 2 Watery Lane Tipton Dudley Staffs.
Joseph Bartley Head 58 Moulder
Lucy Bartley wife 58 born Birmingham Warks.
Mary Bartley dau 24
John Bartley son 22
Rachel Bartley dau 20
Prudence Jevons lodger 30 (wid)
Mary Ann Jevons dau 10
Rest born Tipton Staffs.
BARTLEY Priscilla JEVENS Musthen 1871 Tipton, St Paul Sandwell Register Office 40/1/370

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 3:51 pm
by mjay
Connection
Richards father John Bartley's sister Sarah. Her son John Thomas Derby Bate was also killed in WW1

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=686761

Re: Help to confirm please Richard Bartley can this be archived

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 3:52 pm
by mjay