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Somewhere in my surfing the Net I 'chanced' to come across the following description of linkages for some of our BC families, and I wondered if we could confirm them enough to be added to the tree. I've done a little searching on BC Connections and Ancestry and added my findings in red.

Samuel SIDAWAY http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=30809&rand=351198047
is the brother of Martha SIDAWAY - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=30812&rand=930521964
Martha SIDAWAY is the wife of Alfred Eli HINGLEY - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=28420&rand=515201970
Alfred Eli HINGLEY is the son of Ann WORRALL - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=5158&rand=363094151
Ann WORRALL is the sister of Eliza WORRALL (can't confirm this as yet - anyone?)
Eliza WORRALL is the wife of George MALLEN (m. 1855 St. Andrew, Netherton)
George MALLEN 1836 is the son of Mary CHANCE 1806 (George MALLEN 1801 m. Mary CHANCE 6/11/1831 St. Phillip, Birmingham)
Mary CHANCE is the daughter of Benjamin CHANCE 1778 & Ann HILL 1776-1845
(Benjamin CHANCE m. (1) Ann HILL 10 Apr 1791 St. Mary, Kingswinford, m. (2) Mary HODGETTS 18 Jul 1846 Cradley Chapel, Cradley, Worcs.)
Benjamin CHANCE is the son of Robert CHANCE 1753 & Sarah STEVENS 1756
Robert CHANCE is the brother of Solomon CHANCE 1743 (Parents: Joseph CHANCE & Elizabeth HILL)
Solomon CHANCE (wife Eleanor GEARING 1748) is the father of Thomas CHANCE 1769
Thomas CHANCE (wife Mary PUGH) is the father of David CHANCE 1801-1856
David CHANCE (wife Sylvia CARTWRIGHT) is the father of Job CHANCE (1839)

1841
At Lye Forge Road,
David Chance 35 Miner Y
Silvey Chance 30 Y
Entey Chance 15 Y
Hannah Chance 5 Y
Job Chance 2 Y

Job CHANCE m. Mary Ann LITTLE 1860 Stourbridge

1861
At Hay Green, Lye
Samuel Little Head 55 Nail Maker b. Glou. Tewkesbury
Sarah Little Wife 56 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Oldswinford
Sarah Little Daur 13 Labourer in Brickyard ditto
Job Chance Son in law Mar 19 Coal Miner ditto
Mary A Chance Daur Mar 17 Brick maker ditto

1st Mar 1866
Immigration
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Aboard the 'Western Ocean':
Job Chance 25
Mary A Chance 24
Elijah Chance 1
Sylvia Chance 1

Job CHANCE Died 14 Jan 1942 in
Yallourn, Victoria, Australia (wife Mary Ann LITTLE) is the father of Elijah CHANCE 1869

Australian Electoral Roles
Korumburra, Division of Flinders, Victoria, Australia
Job CHANCE Mine Road Old Age Pensioner
Job CHANCE Coal Creek Miner
Margaret CHANCE Home Duties
Mary Ann CHANCE Mine Road Old Age Pensioner

Elijah CHANCE (wife Charlotte MOORE) is the father of Robert Little CHANCE 1891-1964
In Australian Electoral Roles 1914

Robert Little CHANCE (wife Bessie WILLIAMS) is the father of Edna Dorothy Grace CHANCE 1922-2000

Elijah's Death Certificate says:
Death in the District of Yallourn (Vic)
14th Jan 1942 at Yallourn Hospital, Morwell Shire, County Buln Buln
Usual place of residence: Brown Coal Mine
Name and Occupation: Elijah Chance, Retired Blacksmith
Male 78 Years
Cause of death: Uraemia - days, Acute Suppurative Pyelonephritis of Kidney - 1 month, Senility - years
Father: Job Chance, Miner
Mother: Mary Ann Chance formerly Little
Burial: Yallourn Cemetery
Minister: W. L. Exon, Captain, Salvation Army
Where born, and how long in the Australian States, stating which: Stourbridge, England 75 years in Victoria
If deceased was married,
Where: Fitzroy
At what age: 25 years
To whom: Charlotte Moore
Conjugal condition at death: Married
Issue in order of birth, the names and ages:
John Stephen 52 years
Robert Little 50 years
Alice Sylvia 49 years
Charlotte 24 (Deceased)
David 2 hrs (Deceased)
May 19 mo. (Deceased)
Percy Clarence 42 years
Ivy May 40 years
Elsie 38 years
Mildred 36 years
Hilda Florence 34 years
Evelyn 32 years
Albert Edward 29 years
Charlotte 26 years

San, are these names of interest to you?

1841
At Lichfield St. Birmingham, Warwickshire
John Worrall 50 Sh... Case M. Y
Mary Worrall 45 Y
Emma Worrall 15 Y
Mary Worrall 15 Br... Weaver Y
John Worrall 13 Y
Charlotte Worrall 11 Y
Joseph Worrall 9 Y
Charles Worrall 7 Y
Selina Worrall 5 Y
Eliza Worrall 3 Y

Are John & Mary the parents of Ann Worrall here...?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... 0&pid=5158

That's a great find Di. I have the Hingley/Sidaway links, but not the Worrall/Mallen/Chance ones. I just realised that I do not have the Marriage Witnesses for the Marriage of Ann Worral and Barzillia Hingley, just wondered if there may have been a Worrall or Mallen Witness. Barzillia and Ann Married at Clent 15.5.1831, does anyone have the Clent PR's please? Many thanks from Linell.

dianel wrote:1841
At Lichfield St. Birmingham, Warwickshire
John Worrall 50 Sh... Case M. Y
Mary Worrall 45 Y
Emma Worrall 15 Y
Mary Worrall 15 Br... Weaver Y
John Worrall 13 Y
Charlotte Worrall 11 Y
Joseph Worrall 9 Y
Charles Worrall 7 Y
Selina Worrall 5 Y
Eliza Worrall 3 Y

Are John & Mary the parents of Ann Worrall here...?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... 0&pid=5158

extracted parents john and mary

ELIZH. WARRALL
Christening: 24 JUL 1805 Brierley Hill, Stafford,

ANNE WORRALL -
Christening: 31 OCT 1810 Brierley Hill, Stafford,

JAMES WORRALL -
Christening: 10 APR 1808 Brierley Hill, Stafford,

There is a potential link between the Skeldings, Chances, Plants and Fradgleys through this generation I have on my tree:

WILLIAM9 SKELDING (GEORGE8, GEORGE7, JOHN6, FRANCIS5, WILLIAM4, FRANCIS3, EDWARD2, WILLIAM1) was born Bef. 12 Oct 1806 in Lye, Stourbridge, Worcs. He married (1) CATHERINE CHANCE 1829 in Lye, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, daughter of BENJAMIN CHANCE and SARAH TAYLOR. She was born Abt. 22 Jan 1809 in Lye, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, and died 24 Jan 1865 in Beefeaters Field, Lye, Stourbridge. He married (2) PRISCILLA PLANT 05 Jun 1865 in Holy Trinity church, Amblecote, Stourbridge, daughter of DANIEL PLANT and PRISCILLA FRADGLEY. She was born Abt. 1824 in Brierley Hill, Staffordshire, and died 03 Jan 1903 in 120 Wallace Street, Brockmoor, Brierley Hill.

Children of WILLIAM SKELDING and CATHERINE CHANCE are:
i. ELIJAH10 SKELDING, b. Abt. 1829, Wollescote, Worcestershire; d. Abt. Dec 1888, Stourbridge, Worcestershire; m. HARRIET TAYLOR, Abt. Dec 1850, Dudley, Worcs.
ii. FELIX SKELDING, b. Abt. 1830, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
iii. DANIEL SKELDING, b. Abt. 1831, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
iv. JESSE SKELDING, b. Abt. 1831, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
v. DAVID SKELDING, b. 05 Jun 1831, Wollescote, Worcestershire; d. 27 Nov 1831, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
6. vi. ANN SKELDING, b. 25 Aug 1833, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
vii. IRA SKELDING, b. Abt. 1834, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
viii. JANIE SKELDING, b. Abt. 1836, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
ix. IMRI SKELDING, b. 01 May 1836, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
x. HENZEY SKELDING, b. Abt. 1837, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xi. SILVIA SKELDING, b. Abt. 1840, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xii. EUNICE SKELDING, b. Abt. 1842, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xiii. FRO SKELDING, b. Abt. 1843, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xiv. BENJAMIN SKELDING, b. Abt. 1844, Wollescote, Worcestershire; m. EMMA WOOLDRIDGE, 29 Apr 1866, St Mary's church, Old Swinford, Worcestershire; b. 23 Aug 1846, Wollescote, Worcestershire; d. 1923, Lye, Worcestershire.
xv. MERIAH SKELDING, b. Abt. 1847, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xvi. NIMROD SKELDING, b. Abt. 1847, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xvii. SARAH SKELDING, b. Abt. 1848, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xviii. HENRY SKELDING, b. Abt. 1850, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xix. AMELIA SKELDING, b. Abt. 1851, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xx. CATHERINE SKELDING, b. Abt. 1851, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xxi. DAVID SKELDING, b. Abt. 1861, Wollescote, Worcestershire.


Child of WILLIAM SKELDING and PRISCILLA PLANT is:
7. xxii. DINAH10 SKELDING, b. 1868, Kingswinford, Staffs; d. 1908, Stourbridge, Worcs.

dianel wrote:1841
At Lichfield St. Birmingham, Warwickshire
John Worrall 50 Sh... Case M. Y
Mary Worrall 45 Y
Emma Worrall 15 Y
Mary Worrall 15 Br... Weaver Y
John Worrall 13 Y
Charlotte Worrall 11 Y
Joseph Worrall 9 Y
Charles Worrall 7 Y
Selina Worrall 5 Y
Eliza Worrall 3

Are John & Mary the parents of Ann Worrall here...?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... 0&pid=5158

Extracted, parents John & Mary:
EMMA WORRALL - Christening: 01 JAN 1823 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick (08 DEC 1822)
MARY ANN WORRALL - Christening: 13 JUN 1826 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick (Birth 24 MAY 1826)
CHARLOTTE WORRALL - Christening: 29 JUL 1830 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick
JOSEPH WORRALL - Christening: 05 MAR 1832 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick
CHARLES WORRALL - Christening: 21 APR 1834 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick
SELINA WORRALL - Christening: 13 SEP 1836 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick

peterd wrote:extracted parents john and mary

ELIZH. WARRALL
Christening: 24 JUL 1805 Brierley Hill, Stafford,

ANNE WORRALL -
Christening: 31 OCT 1810 Brierley Hill, Stafford,

JAMES WORRALL -
Christening: 10 APR 1808 Brierley Hill, Stafford,

Dunno ... we might have two separate families here ... The John and Mary in the 1841 census are not old enough to be parents of these three.
This christening for Anne Worrall fits our Ann well for both time and place. Now is there an Eliza to these Brierley Hill Worralls? Or is "ELIZH." her?

1861
At Orchard Lane, Lye, Worcs.
George Mallen Head 27 M .... Farmer b. Worcs., Lye
Eliza Mallen Wife 23 b. Worcs., Lye
Fanney Ells Visitor 19 seems to say under occupation "dau"?? b. London

1871
At The Gutter, Bellbroughton, Worcestershire
George Mallen Head 37 Shopkeeper b. Worcs., Lye
Eliza Mallen Wife 33 Ditto b. Worcs., Stourbridge
Blanche Mallen Daur 3 Scholar b. Worcs., Bellbroughton
George Worrall Nephew 12 Scholar b. Staffs., Brettle Lane
Alice Willes Niece 10 Scholar b. Staffs., Quarry Bank

1881
At Yew Tree Farm, Bromsgrove
George Mallen Head 46 Farmer of 87 acres employing 2 labourers b. Worcs., Lye
Elisa Mallen Wife 43 Farmer's wife b. Worcs., Stourbridge
Blanche Mallen Daur 13 Scholar b. Worcs., Madeley Heath
George Mallen Son 9 Scholar b. Worcs., Madeley Heath
Albert Smith 18 Farm servant indoor b. Worcs., Day House Bank

This certainly looks like the Eliza Worrall who married George Mallen and, but I can't see her at present being the sister of Ann Worrall who married Barzillai Hingley and who is the mother of Alfred Eli Hingley. Seems way too young.

So the connection relies on this:

"Alfred Eli HINGLEY is the son of Ann WORRALL - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =363094151
Ann WORRALL is the sister of Eliza WORRALL (can't confirm this as yet - anyone?)
Eliza WORRALL is the wife of George MALLEN (m. 1855 St. Andrew, Netherton)"

Which, at present, seems unlikely. Possibly both Ann and Eliza have parents John & Mary, but a different John & Mary.

Extracted marriage:
JOHN WORRALL & MARY MEREDITH
Marriage: 17 AUG 1805 Kingswinford, Stafford, England

Looks possible for parents of

peterd wrote:
extracted parents john and mary

ELIZH. WARRALL
Christening: 24 JUL 1805 Brierley Hill, Stafford,

ANNE WORRALL -
Christening: 31 OCT 1810 Brierley Hill, Stafford,

JAMES WORRALL -
Christening: 10 APR 1808 Brierley Hill, Stafford,

Except that Elizabeth was christened before this marriage.

Elizabeth Worrall b 1805
James Worrall b 1808
Thomas Worrall b 1808 (?Twins)
Anne b 1810
John b 1813
Charles b 1817
Daniel b 1820
Mary b 1824 (all bapt at Brierley Hill)
Were all children of John Worrall and Mary PEARSON -she was born 1781, bapt 1786 at Brierley Hill, d o Joseph Pearson & Elizabeth BATHAM (I added Joseph & Elizabeth to bcc recently). John Worrall & Mary Pearson married 11 Nov 1804 at St Thomas, Dudley. Mary is mentioned in hers fahers will.

Dennis wrote:There is a potential link between the Skeldings, Chances, Plants and Fradgleys through this generation I have on my tree:

WILLIAM9 SKELDING (GEORGE8, GEORGE7, JOHN6, FRANCIS5, WILLIAM4, FRANCIS3, EDWARD2, WILLIAM1) was born Bef. 12 Oct 1806 in Lye, Stourbridge, Worcs. He married (1) CATHERINE CHANCE 1829 in Lye, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, daughter of BENJAMIN CHANCE and SARAH TAYLOR. She was born Abt. 22 Jan 1809 in Lye, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, and died 24 Jan 1865 in Beefeaters Field, Lye, Stourbridge. He married (2) PRISCILLA PLANT 05 Jun 1865 in Holy Trinity church, Amblecote, Stourbridge, daughter of DANIEL PLANT and PRISCILLA FRADGLEY. She was born Abt. 1824 in Brierley Hill, Staffordshire, and died 03 Jan 1903 in 120 Wallace Street, Brockmoor, Brierley Hill.

Children of WILLIAM SKELDING and CATHERINE CHANCE are:
i. ELIJAH10 SKELDING, b. Abt. 1829, Wollescote, Worcestershire; d. Abt. Dec 1888, Stourbridge, Worcestershire; m. HARRIET TAYLOR, Abt. Dec 1850, Dudley, Worcs.
ii. FELIX SKELDING, b. Abt. 1830, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
iii. DANIEL SKELDING, b. Abt. 1831, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
iv. JESSE SKELDING, b. Abt. 1831, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
v. DAVID SKELDING, b. 05 Jun 1831, Wollescote, Worcestershire; d. 27 Nov 1831, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
6. vi. ANN SKELDING, b. 25 Aug 1833, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
vii. IRA SKELDING, b. Abt. 1834, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
viii. JANIE SKELDING, b. Abt. 1836, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
ix. IMRI SKELDING, b. 01 May 1836, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
x. HENZEY SKELDING, b. Abt. 1837, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xi. SILVIA SKELDING, b. Abt. 1840, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xii. EUNICE SKELDING, b. Abt. 1842, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xiii. FRO SKELDING, b. Abt. 1843, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xiv. BENJAMIN SKELDING, b. Abt. 1844, Wollescote, Worcestershire; m. EMMA WOOLDRIDGE, 29 Apr 1866, St Mary's church, Old Swinford, Worcestershire; b. 23 Aug 1846, Wollescote, Worcestershire; d. 1923, Lye, Worcestershire.
xv. MERIAH SKELDING, b. Abt. 1847, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xvi. NIMROD SKELDING, b. Abt. 1847, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xvii. SARAH SKELDING, b. Abt. 1848, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xviii. HENRY SKELDING, b. Abt. 1850, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xix. AMELIA SKELDING, b. Abt. 1851, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xx. CATHERINE SKELDING, b. Abt. 1851, Wollescote, Worcestershire.
xxi. DAVID SKELDING, b. Abt. 1861, Wollescote, Worcestershire.


Child of WILLIAM SKELDING and PRISCILLA PLANT is:
7. xxii. DINAH10 SKELDING, b. 1868, Kingswinford, Staffs; d. 1908, Stourbridge, Worcs.

Dennis
I have the same Skelding/ Plant/ Fradgley etc connections, but there seem a lot of children to the above couple - are we dealing with two William Skelding/Catherine families?
Steve

Di do connect up what you feel is good proved info
do you need any look ups?
or if we have a massive connection waiting on a certif let me know and I will look at maybe getting it
not following this one but know that you seasoned lot will sort it
If I can help by verifying ought just say

I am a decendant of the Chances.
Job Chance was born 1839 Oldswinford and died 1907 Korumburra Australia he married Mary Little on 23 Dec 1860 St Mary Kingswinford.
Elijah Chance was born 1864 and died 1942 Yallourn Australia.
I will get round to adding the Chances but am rushed off my feet at the moment and there are hundreds of them. I can go back to 1615 with Robert Chance who married Ann Underhill
Kaye

Great, Kaye! I think the Chance/Worrall to Hingley/Worrall connection through Ann & Eliza Worrall is disproved rather than proved. What do you think?