Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 2:37 pm
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =738887571
No sign of marriage but all children registered as mother Smith
No sign of marriage but all children registered as mother Smith
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Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:46 pm
I can't see a marriage either, I can't see them in 1871 census.
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:36 am
Cant help with marriage but found a few articles about Elijah from 1863 looks like he was in and out of prison for various crimes
Birmingham Daily Post
10 Mar 1871, Fri · Page 6
Birmingham Daily Post
26 May 1890, Mon · Page 4
There are 2 births for Fanny Homer, was Fanny 1883 the one that drowned ?
HOMER, FANNY SMITH
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 170
HOMER, FANNY SMITH
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 201
Freereg
Brierley Hill
St Michael
Parish Register
Register entry number 370
Burial date 11 Aug 1900
Burial person forename Elijah
Burial person surname HOMER
Person age 57
Burial person abode Brierley Hill
Birmingham Daily Post
10 Mar 1871, Fri · Page 6
- Elijah Homer.PNG (242.5 KiB) Viewed 1806 times
Birmingham Daily Post
26 May 1890, Mon · Page 4
- Fanny Homer.PNG (168.03 KiB) Viewed 1806 times
There are 2 births for Fanny Homer, was Fanny 1883 the one that drowned ?
HOMER, FANNY SMITH
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 170
HOMER, FANNY SMITH
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 201
Freereg
Brierley Hill
St Michael
Parish Register
Register entry number 370
Burial date 11 Aug 1900
Burial person forename Elijah
Burial person surname HOMER
Person age 57
Burial person abode Brierley Hill
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:26 pm
According to 1891 and 1901 census Fanny is still alive.
There is no death reg for a fanny Homer aged 5.
1891. 2 Plants Hollow Brettell Lane Kingswinford Stourbridge Staffs.
Elizah Homer Head 52 Miner Clay Brickyard born Cradley Worcs.
Elizabeth Homer wife 42 born Amblecote Staffs.
Alice Homer dau 15 Scholar born Hay Green Lye Worcs.
Martha Homer dau 9 Scholar born Quarry Bank Staffs.
Fanny Homer dau 5 Scholar born Brettell Lane Staffs.
Frederick Homer 3 mths. born Brettell Lane Staffs.
1901. Plants Hollow Brettell Lane Kingswinford
Elizabeth Homer 52. Head. widow.
Fanny Homer 17. Daughter.
Fred Homer 13. Son.
There is no death reg for a fanny Homer aged 5.
1891. 2 Plants Hollow Brettell Lane Kingswinford Stourbridge Staffs.
Elizah Homer Head 52 Miner Clay Brickyard born Cradley Worcs.
Elizabeth Homer wife 42 born Amblecote Staffs.
Alice Homer dau 15 Scholar born Hay Green Lye Worcs.
Martha Homer dau 9 Scholar born Quarry Bank Staffs.
Fanny Homer dau 5 Scholar born Brettell Lane Staffs.
Frederick Homer 3 mths. born Brettell Lane Staffs.
1901. Plants Hollow Brettell Lane Kingswinford
Elizabeth Homer 52. Head. widow.
Fanny Homer 17. Daughter.
Fred Homer 13. Son.
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:31 pm
Brierley Hill St Michael.
Marriage date 23 Apr 1905.
Ernest Albert WITHERS. 18. bachelor. Tram Conductor. 38 Silver End. Alfred WITHERS. Glass Cutter.
Fanny HOMER. 19. spinster. 38 Silver End. Elijah HOMER. Miner.
Witness 1 Thomas LLOYD.
Witness 2 Alice HOLLAWAY.
Marriage date 23 Apr 1905.
Ernest Albert WITHERS. 18. bachelor. Tram Conductor. 38 Silver End. Alfred WITHERS. Glass Cutter.
Fanny HOMER. 19. spinster. 38 Silver End. Elijah HOMER. Miner.
Witness 1 Thomas LLOYD.
Witness 2 Alice HOLLAWAY.
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:09 pm
Jimmy wrote:Brierley Hill St Michael.
Marriage date 23 Apr 1905.
Ernest Albert WITHERS. 18. bachelor. Tram Conductor. 38 Silver End. Alfred WITHERS. Glass Cutter.
Fanny HOMER. 19. spinster. 38 Silver End. Elijah HOMER. Miner.
Witness 1 Thomas LLOYD.
Witness 2 Alice HOLLAWAY.
Looks like the name should be WITHEY, he is on BCC.
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=615182
WITHEY, ERNEST ALBERT HILL.
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 178.
1911. 42 Sheffield Street, Quarry Bank, Brierley Hill.
Henry Perks 26. Head.
Henry Perks 5. Son.
Annie Perks 3. Daughter.
Fanny Withey 26. Visitor. married 5 years,1 child. Plants Hollow.
Ernest Albert Withey 5. Visitor.
WITHEY, ERNEST ALBERT GEORGE HOMER.
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 211.
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:13 pm
There are 2 Fanny's.
Fanny 1885 married Ernest Withey here
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=615182
1911 42 Sheffield Street, Quarry Bank, Brierley Hill
Henry Perks 26 Head Widower Puddler born Brierley Hill
Henry Perks 5 Son born Stoke on Trent
Annie Perks 3 Daughter born Stoke on Trent
Fanny Withey 26 Visitor Married born Plants Hollow Married 5 Years 1 Child living
Ernest Albert Withey 5 Visitor born Brettle Lane
WITHEY Fanny PERKS Henry 1917 Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/033/161
Fanny 1885 married Ernest Withey here
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=615182
1911 42 Sheffield Street, Quarry Bank, Brierley Hill
Henry Perks 26 Head Widower Puddler born Brierley Hill
Henry Perks 5 Son born Stoke on Trent
Annie Perks 3 Daughter born Stoke on Trent
Fanny Withey 26 Visitor Married born Plants Hollow Married 5 Years 1 Child living
Ernest Albert Withey 5 Visitor born Brettle Lane
WITHEY Fanny PERKS Henry 1917 Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/033/161
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:43 pm
Thanks everyone I can work on that info
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:45 pm
Births Dec 1925.
Perks Christine Homer. Stourbridge. 6c. 87.
1939. Alfreton, Derbyshire.
Henry Perks 57. 8 Aug 1882. Ironworker Puddler-Heavy Worker.
Fanny Perks 54. 10 Sep 1885.
This record is officially closed.
Christine Perks 14.
John H Pressland 21.
Doris Pressland 20.
Edith M Millington 26.
Perks Christine Homer. Stourbridge. 6c. 87.
1939. Alfreton, Derbyshire.
Henry Perks 57. 8 Aug 1882. Ironworker Puddler-Heavy Worker.
Fanny Perks 54. 10 Sep 1885.
This record is officially closed.
Christine Perks 14.
John H Pressland 21.
Doris Pressland 20.
Edith M Millington 26.
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:42 pm
This looks like the Fanny Homer born 1883.
1891. Balls Lane, Wollescote.
Thomas Smith 57. Old Swinford.
Pricila Smith 51. Wales.
Fanny Homer 8. Granddaughter. Cradley..
Edwards Roberts 23. Boarder.
Mirah Smith 22. Wife. Roberts on image.
Pricilla Smith 6/12. Daughter. Roberts on image.
1901. Balls Lane, Wollescote.
Thomas Smith 61. CClay ?????. Chawnell, Worcs.
Priscilla Smith 61. North Wales.
Fanny Homer 17. Granddaughter. Wollescote.
John Charles 64. Boarder.
1891. Balls Lane, Wollescote.
Thomas Smith 57. Old Swinford.
Pricila Smith 51. Wales.
Fanny Homer 8. Granddaughter. Cradley..
Edwards Roberts 23. Boarder.
Mirah Smith 22. Wife. Roberts on image.
Pricilla Smith 6/12. Daughter. Roberts on image.
1901. Balls Lane, Wollescote.
Thomas Smith 61. CClay ?????. Chawnell, Worcs.
Priscilla Smith 61. North Wales.
Fanny Homer 17. Granddaughter. Wollescote.
John Charles 64. Boarder.
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:05 pm
1911 30 Balds Lane, Wollescote Nr Stourbridge, Worcestershire
Thomas Smith 71 Head Married Retort Builder Born Chawnhill
Priscilla Smith 71 Wife Married Born Pontepool Wales Married 52 Years 16 Children 2 Living 14 died
Fanny Homer 27 Granddaughter Single Dressmaker Born Wollescote
Thomas Smith 71 Head Married Retort Builder Born Chawnhill
Priscilla Smith 71 Wife Married Born Pontepool Wales Married 52 Years 16 Children 2 Living 14 died
Fanny Homer 27 Granddaughter Single Dressmaker Born Wollescote
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:12 pm
1881. Balds Lane, Wollescote.
Thomas Smith 41. Brick Maker. Oldswinford.
Pricilla Smith 41. Pontipule, Wales.
Harrett Smith 17. Daughter. Cradley.
Ann Smith 10. Daughter. Quarry Bank.
Laura Smith 2 months. Daughter.
SMITH, HARRIET HILL.
GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 154.
SMITH, MARIA HILL.
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 238.
SMITH, LAURA HENRY HILL.
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 196.
1871. Cradley.
Robert Wood 31.
Sarah Ann Wood 28.
Joseph Wood 10. Son.
Mary E Wood 8. Daughter.
Sarah A Wood 2. Daughter.
Thomas Smith 30. Head boarder. Brick kiln man.Old Swinford.
Pricilla Smith 31. Wife.
Harriet Smith 7. Daughter.
Marie Smith 6/12. Daughter.
Oldswinford St Mary.
Marriage date 12 Sep 1858.
Thomas SMITH. 19. bachelor. Brick maker. Old Swinford. no father.
Priscilla HILL. 19. spinster. The Lye. Christopher HILL. Engineer.
Witness 1 Joseph WOOLDRIDGE.
Witness 2 Mary CHANCE.
Notes Thomas illegitimate son of Ann SMITH.
Thomas Smith 41. Brick Maker. Oldswinford.
Pricilla Smith 41. Pontipule, Wales.
Harrett Smith 17. Daughter. Cradley.
Ann Smith 10. Daughter. Quarry Bank.
Laura Smith 2 months. Daughter.
SMITH, HARRIET HILL.
GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 154.
SMITH, MARIA HILL.
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 238.
SMITH, LAURA HENRY HILL.
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 196.
1871. Cradley.
Robert Wood 31.
Sarah Ann Wood 28.
Joseph Wood 10. Son.
Mary E Wood 8. Daughter.
Sarah A Wood 2. Daughter.
Thomas Smith 30. Head boarder. Brick kiln man.Old Swinford.
Pricilla Smith 31. Wife.
Harriet Smith 7. Daughter.
Marie Smith 6/12. Daughter.
Oldswinford St Mary.
Marriage date 12 Sep 1858.
Thomas SMITH. 19. bachelor. Brick maker. Old Swinford. no father.
Priscilla HILL. 19. spinster. The Lye. Christopher HILL. Engineer.
Witness 1 Joseph WOOLDRIDGE.
Witness 2 Mary CHANCE.
Notes Thomas illegitimate son of Ann SMITH.
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:20 pm
1861. Lye.
Thomas Smith 21. ag labourer. Old Swinford.
Prisila Smith 21. South Wales, Emborne.
1851. Chawn Hill,
Samuel Smith 55. brick burner.
Mary Smith 55.
Ann Smith 32 Daughter. unmarried. brickmaker.
Esther Smith 25. Daughter. brickmaker.
Elizabeth Smith 23. Daughter. brickmaker.
Mary Smith 17. Daughter. brickmaker.
Thomas Smith 11. Son. brickmaker.
John Smith 6. Grandson.
All born Chawn Hill.
1841. Chawn Hill, Old Swinford.
Samuel Smith 45. nailer.
Mary Smith 45.
Ann Smith 22.
William Smith 18.
Esther Smith 15.
Elizabeth Smith 13.
Mary Smith 7.
Thomas Smith 1.
Henry Bartle 20.
Oldswinford St Mary.
Baptism date 16 Feb 1840.
Thomas SMITH.
Mother Ann SMITH.
Person abode Chawn Hill.
Notes Entered under Parent's Quality, Trade or Profession: Single woman.
Thomas Smith 21. ag labourer. Old Swinford.
Prisila Smith 21. South Wales, Emborne.
1851. Chawn Hill,
Samuel Smith 55. brick burner.
Mary Smith 55.
Ann Smith 32 Daughter. unmarried. brickmaker.
Esther Smith 25. Daughter. brickmaker.
Elizabeth Smith 23. Daughter. brickmaker.
Mary Smith 17. Daughter. brickmaker.
Thomas Smith 11. Son. brickmaker.
John Smith 6. Grandson.
All born Chawn Hill.
1841. Chawn Hill, Old Swinford.
Samuel Smith 45. nailer.
Mary Smith 45.
Ann Smith 22.
William Smith 18.
Esther Smith 15.
Elizabeth Smith 13.
Mary Smith 7.
Thomas Smith 1.
Henry Bartle 20.
Oldswinford St Mary.
Baptism date 16 Feb 1840.
Thomas SMITH.
Mother Ann SMITH.
Person abode Chawn Hill.
Notes Entered under Parent's Quality, Trade or Profession: Single woman.
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:08 pm
1911 Census 30 Balds Lane Wollescote Stourbridge Worcs.
Thomas Smith Head 71 Retort Builder ( Hickmans) born Chawn Hill Worcs.
Priscilla Smith wife 71 born Pontypool Wales
Married 52 Years 16 children 2 living
Fanny Homer grd. dau 27 Dressmaker born Wollescote Worcs.
Thomas Smith Head 71 Retort Builder ( Hickmans) born Chawn Hill Worcs.
Priscilla Smith wife 71 born Pontypool Wales
Married 52 Years 16 children 2 living
Fanny Homer grd. dau 27 Dressmaker born Wollescote Worcs.
Re: Elizabeth Unknown
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:25 am
So who does Fanny belong to ie parents?