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Thank you in advance for reading this.

Grail for me is linking the Foley/Cooksey line to the Foleys of Witley Court. As I inch closer to achieving this, I seem to hit further unexpected snags. THis particular conundrum is one of those snags.

Any insight/advice/guidance/help will be very much appreciated.

I have Thomas Foley (born 12th July 1789) identified as the son of Edward Foley (1772) and Martha Dank(e)s

Many Researchers, FTs and the peerage.com have this Thomas marrying Elizabeth Gibson on 23rd December 1804. Unless my basic numeracy is really letting me down, that would mean Thomas was fifteen and a half when he married. This is the first time I've encountered a male marrying this young in this era.

Is this usual/unusual or just incorrect?

The family then emigrates to the US

Thomas Foley and Elizabeth Gibson, both from Staffordshire, England are cited as the parents of Edward Foley (born Feb 4th 1825) on a death certificate issued in Pennsylvania on November 27th 1906

However, I have a Thomas Foley (also born 12th July 1789) marrying Sarah Raybould (although DoB is possibly pot-luck).

I have documentary evidence of a watertight lineage back from the present to this Thomas:

1841 census Thomas Foley 50 born 1791, Sarah Foley 45 born 1796 Belper Row, Dudley
1851 Census Thomas Foley 65 born 1786, Sarah Foley 60, born 1791 Derby End, Belper Row, Dudley

Various children and the mention of a grandson identify this as the same (and correct) family.

In some FTs, this particular version of Thomas has parents identified as Samuel Foley (1739 - 1814) and Hannah (Rhodes)

So, I have two versions of a Thomas Foley born 12th July 1789, who
a) marries two different people
b) has two different sets of parents

I was wondering if anyone else has previously looked into this and hopefully be able to shed some light on this set of relationships before I disappear down even more rabbit-holes.

Or even if you are actively researching this, to be able to collaborate and find some conclusion?

Again, many thanks!
David

Is this the family on BCC?
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=613872

There is also this?
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=613872

Edward Foley and Martha Danks
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=613872

Where does Thomas Foley's birthdate come from?

grangers14 wrote:Edward Foley and Martha Danks
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=613872

Yes - with the possibility of Edward's parents being Edward Foley (born approx 1732) and Elizabeth/Betty..

In turn, this EDward's parents are potentially Philip Foley and Mary Powney

I have just seen a transcription of that birth and Christening...

grangers14 wrote:Is this the family on BCC?
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=613872

I'll need to check back in my notes and retrace my steps. I have Thomas Foley marrying Sarah Raybould 31/12/1815.

On the 1841 census in addition to the Foley children listed, there are two other people listed: Phoebe Raybold, aged 60 and Mary Ann Parsons, aged 20

There is also this?
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=613872

I am a direct descendant of the Foley/Cooksey line through Edward Foley/Jones and EDward Foley/Reeves.
All relationships innthis line are watertight.

grangers14 wrote:I have just seen a transcription of that birth and Christening...

Can I thank you please very much for taking the time and replying. It is appreciated.

I have seen a number of researchers claim that Edward Foley (born 1759, parents Edward and Betty/Elizabeth) married Elizabeth Cooksey and then remarried later to Martha Dank(e)s. I think this is unlikely as Rebecca was still very much alive at the time of Edward and Martha's wedding.

I believe there were two different Edward Foleys, one who was born in 1759 and married Rebecca Cooksey, one who was born in 1772 and married Martha Dank(e)s.

If parents of both of these Edwards were Edward and Betty/Elizabeth, it will establish a link to the Edward Foley/Mary Powney and Foleys of Witley Court line.

It is Thomas that is the stumbling block at the moment.

Did he marry Elizabeth Gibson (when he was 15) and go to the US or did he marry Sarah Raybould?

Again, thank you.
David

I think this is your family with the wrong Sarah

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=613872

Have you considered these

Freereg
KingswinfordSt Mary
Parish Register
Register entry number 552
Marriage date 22 Mar 1790
Edward FOLEY Stoke Edith, Herefordshire
Eliza Maria Foley HODGETTS Kingswinford
Witness1 M. HONEYBORNE
Witness2 William HODGETTS
Notes By licence. The groom's title is stated to be 'The Honorable'[quote][/quote]

Freereg
Kingswinford
St Mary
Parish Register
Birth date 21 Dec 1791
Baptism date 26 Jan 1792
Person forename Edward Thomas
Person sex M
Father forename Edward
Mother forename Eliza Maria
Fathers Surname FOLEY
Notes The father has the title of Hon.

As for the children listed on the 1841 census
FOLEY, LOUISA RAYBOULD
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 229

Name Louisa Foley
Gender Female
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 14 Jan 1838
Baptism Place Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Parish as it Appears Dudley
Father
Thomas Foley
Mother
Sarah Foley

kdwoodie wrote:I think this is your family with the wrong Sarah

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=613872

I agree - I think the Sarah listed there is incorrect.

Further evidence for this Thomas to have married Sarah Raybould is that one of the witnesses at his and Sarah's son's Philip's wedding to Ann Whitmore in 1836 is Maria Raybould

kdwoodie wrote:Have you considered these

Freereg
KingswinfordSt Mary
Parish Register
Register entry number 552
Marriage date 22 Mar 1790
Edward FOLEY Stoke Edith, Herefordshire
Eliza Maria Foley HODGETTS Kingswinford
Witness1 M. HONEYBORNE
Witness2 William HODGETTS
Notes By licence. The groom's title is stated to be 'The Honorable'

Freereg
Kingswinford
St Mary
Parish Register
Birth date 21 Dec 1791
Baptism date 26 Jan 1792
Person forename Edward Thomas
Person sex M
Father forename Edward
Mother forename Eliza Maria
Fathers Surname FOLEY
Notes The father has the title of Hon.

Thank you - I will look into these.

Personally I think the further you get back it is very hard to confirm anything!
Unless you have a few documents to be able to confirm, wills etc

Transcripts are not always right either, same as Parish records!

1841 census for that family should also include

/Phoebe Raybold, 60, Nailor
Mary Ann Parsons, 20

Are you able to help here kdw?
Ok if not but I am trying to sort other things...
But I can sticky to add if you are busy.

Phoebe is already added here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =341704065

Where is the evidence for a marriage of Thomas Foley and Sarah Raybould ?

I cant see anything.