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1901 Cakemore Lane Cakemore
Joseph Kettle Head M 29 Working for Brick Burner Born Oldbury
Mary Jane Kettle M 29 Born Blackheath
Joseph Kettle Son 5 Born Cakemore
John Kettle Son 3 Born Cakemore
Jane Kettle Daur 1 Born Cakemore
A few doors above
Sarah Kettle Head W 54 Haulier &Contractor Born Church Bridge
Nancy Langford Aunt S 83 Born Tipton
Clara Cox Grand Daur Born Blackheath

1911 Cakemore Lane Blackheath Nr Birmingham
Joseph Holloway Head 39 Married Brick Burner Born Oldbury
Sarah Jane Holloway Wife 39 Married Brick Presser Born Blackheath
Clarah Holloway Daughter 18 Single Switch Born Blackheath
Joseph Holloway Son 15 Single Grocers Assisitant Born Cakemore
John Holloway Son 13 Single Brick Labourer Born Cakemore
Jane Holloway Daughter 11 Attending School Born Cakemore
Married 16 Years 4 Children 4 Living

COX, CLARA -
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 30

HOLLOWAY, CLARENCE JOSEPH COX
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 145

HOLLOWAY, JOHN COX
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 158

HOLLOWAY, SARAH JANE COX
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 172
BAGNALL Fred P HOLLOWAY Sarah J 1920 Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/006/247

CWGC
Name: Clarence Joseph Holloway
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1896
Death Date: 13 Apr 1918
Cemetery: Haringhe (Bandaghem) Military Cemetery
Burial Country: Belgium
Regiment: Royal Field Artillery
Regimental Number: 58700
Region or Memorial: Belgium
Father:
Joseph Holloway
Mother:
Mary Jane Holloway

HOLLOWAY, Gnr. Clarence Joseph , 58700.
"D" Bty. 38th Bde. RoyalField Artillery.
13th April 1918.Age 22. Son of Joseph and Mary Jane Holloway , of 15, Cakemore Rd., Blackheath, Birmingham. II. B.12.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
JOSEPHS MOTHER and JOSEPH HOLLYOAK KETTLE

Joseph Hollyoak Kettle here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=593072

1871 Inkerman Street Court 2 No 4 Oldbury
Nancy Langford 55 Head Unm Born Tipton
Mary Webb 18 Niece Unm Born Oldbury
Joseph Hollyock [Joseph Hollyoak] [Joseph Kettle] 32 Boarder Unm Labourer Born West Bromwich
Sarah Holloway 23 Boarder Unm Born Oldbury
Emma Robt Holloway 2 Boarder Born Oldbury

1881 Cakemore Lane Cakemore
Joseph H. Kettle Head Unm 33 Brick Burner Born West Bromwich
Sarah Holloway ? Unm 33 Brick Maker Born Oldbury
Joseph Holloway Son 10 Scholar Born Oldbury
Sarah Holloway Daur 7 Scholar Born Oldbury
Rosannah Holloway Daur 3 Born Handsworth
Agnes Holloway Daur 1 Born Oldbury
Nancy Langford Servant Widow? 60 Servant Born Tipton

1891 Cakemore Lane Cakemore
Joseph Kettle 45 Head M Brickmaker Born West Bromwich
Sarah Kettle 45 Wife M Born Oldbury
Emma Kettle 22 S Daughter Born Oldbury
Joseph Kettle 19 Son Born Oldbury
Sarah Kettle 17 Daughter Born Oldbury
Rosannah Kettle 14 Daughter Born Oldbury
Agnes Kettle 11 Daughter Born Cakemore
Elizabeth Kettle 10 Daughter Born Cakemore
Phoebe Kettle 6 Daughter Born Cakemore
Nancy Lambert Lodger S 70 Born Tipton

1901 Cakemore Lane Cakemore
Joseph Kettle Head M 29 Working for Brick Burner Born Oldbury
Mary Jane Kettle M 29 Born Blackheath
Joseph Kettle Son 5 Born Cakemore
John Kettle Son 3 Born Cakemore
Jane Kettle Daur 1 Born Cakemore
A few doors above
Sarah Kettle Head W 54 Haulier &Contractor Born Church Bridge
Nancy Langford Aunt S 83 Born Tipton
Clara Cox Grand Daur Born Blackheath

1911 1 Rose Cottages Cakemore Road Nr Birmingham
Thomas Wall Head 30 Married Coach Builder Railway Coaches and Motors Born Derby
Elizabeth Wall Wife 29 Married Born Cakemore
Margaret Wall Daughter 19 Mths Born Cakemore Married 5 Years 2 Children 2 Living
Thomas Joseph Edward Wall 5 Mths Born Cakemore
Sarah Kettle Mother in Law 68 Widow Born Oldbury

WALL Thomas KETTLE Elizabeth 1905 West Bromwich Register Office (WBRO) Sandwell Register Office WBRO/42/102
THOMAS WALL here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=593072

SARAH
Name: Henry Holloway
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 15 Feb 1836
Marriage Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Spouse:
Sarah Langford
FHL Film Number: 350611
Reference ID: Pg 199 No 596
Henry here on BCC https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=593072

1851 Church Bridge Oldbury
Henry Holloway Head Mar 36 Labourer at Brickyard Born Halesowen
Sarah Holloway Wife Mar 38 Brickmaker Born Stafford
Mary Ann Holloway Daur 12 Home Born Oldbury
John Holloway Son 11 ? Brickyard Born Oldbury
Lucy Holloway Daur 6 At Home Born Oldbury
Sarah Holloway Daur At Home Born Oldbury 4
Elizabeth Holloway Daur 6 Mo Born Oldbury

1861 Church Bridge Oldbury
Henry Holloway 41 Head Mar Labourer
Sarah Holloway 48 Wife M
Ann Holloway 18 Daughter
Lucy Holloway 17 Daughter
Sarah Holloway 14 Daughter
Elizabeth Holloway 10 Daughter
Phebe Holloway 7 Daughter
James Coley 11 Lodger
All Born Oldbury

Name: Sarah Kettle
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: abt 1847
Registration Date: Oct 1920
[Nov 1920]
[Dec 1920]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Stourbridge
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 13

Name: Sarah Kettle
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: 27 Dec 1920
Burial or Cremation Date: 31 Dec 1920
Burial or Cremation Place: West Midlands, England

I cannot find a marriage for Joseph and Sarah

All added https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =856496602

Can someone please check

I'm late coming in on this...
I think Joseph Kettle should be linked as father of the children, ok not married but children named after his family. Leaving Holloway as surname as they were registered.

I'm also wondering about Nancy Langford...

??

1841. Canal Side, Tipton
Richard Langford, 60
Job, 18,
Joseph, 16,
William, 11,
Sarah, 21, (Could this be Sarah? Age out.)
All born in County

1851. Chapel Lane, West Bromwich
Richard Langford, Head, W, 70, Brickmaker (Pauper) , Wales
Ann, daur, 33, U, Brickmaker, Tipton
Joseph, son, 30, Brickmaker, Oldbury
William, son, 17, Brickmaker, Halesowen
Thomas, Grand son, 10, Oldbury
William Bishop, Lodger, 45, Labourer, Stafford B?
Mary Ann Taylor, servant, 16, Gen serv, Dudley

1861. Inkerman Street, Oldbury.
Nancy Langford, head, W, 42, Brickmaker, Tipton
Richard Langford, Father, W, 73, Brickmaker, Wales
Thomas Langford, son, 20, Brickmaker, Oldbury
Mary Ann Holloway, Lodger, 23, Brick maker, Oldbury

Changed Joseph Kettle to father of children.

Looking at Langfords and i think this is correct but i'm getting really mixed up, does anyone agree?

Dudley
St Thomas
Unspecified
Register entry number 443
Marriage date 31 Dec 1810
Richard LANGFORD Bachelor
Lucy WHITEHOUSE Spinster
Witness1 Harriott LANGFORD
Witness2 Mark BOND
Notes By Banns - Bride And Groom And Wit. 1 Sign X

Tipton
St Martin
Other Transcript
Baptism date 09 Feb 1812
Person forename Sarah
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Lucy
Father surname LANKFORD

Tipton
St Martin
Parish Register
Register entry number 1874
Baptism date 28 Dec 1817
Person forename Joseph
Person sex M
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Lucy
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Stokes Building
Father occupation Miner

Tipton
St Martin
Parish Register
Register entry number 611
Baptism date 17 Sep 1820
Person forename Mary Ann
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Lucy
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Huss Lane
Father occupation Labourer

Oldbury
Christ Church
Parish Register
Register entry number 1145
Baptism date 18 May 1823
Person forename Lucy
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Lucy
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Oldbury
Father occupation Labourer

Oldbury
Christ Church
Parish Register
Register entry number 1399
Baptism date 03 Apr 1825
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Lucy
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Oldbury
Father occupation Brick Maker

Oldbury
Christ Church
Parish Register
Register entry number 1783
Baptism date 23 Mar 1828
Person forename Betsy
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Lucy
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Oldbury
Father occupation Brick Maker

Oldbury
Christ Church
Parish Register
Register entry number 2111
Baptism date 30 May 1830
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Lucy
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Rounds Green Nr Oldbury
Father occupation Brick Maker

Name William Langford
Sex Male
Christening Date 14 Jul 1833
Christening Place Halesowen, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Father's Name Richard Langford
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Lucy
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening

1841 Rounds Green Halesowen
Richard Langford Male 55 1786 - Brick Lab N
Lucy Langford Female 40 1801 - N
Nancy Langford Female 25 1816 - N
Joseph Langford Male 20 1821 Brick Lab Y
Mary Langford Female 20 1821 - N
Ruth Langford Female 15 1826 - N
William Langford Male 7 1834 Shropshire, England Y
Thomas Langford Male 0 1841 Shropshire, England Y

Death for Lucy
Oldbury
Christ Church
Parish Register
Register entry number 819
Burial date 20 Feb 1850
Burial person forename Lucy
Burial person surname LANGFORD
Person age 56
Burial person abode Oldbury

Thomas listed as Grandson
Oldbury
Christ Church
Parish Register
Register entry number 941
Baptism date 19 Sep 1841
Person forename Thomas
Person sex M
Mother forename Nancy
Mother surname LANGFORD
Person abode Rounds Green
Notes The father's name is not shown. The mother's occupation is Brick Maker. The child is illegitimate

Another RICHARD
Dudley
St Thomas
Unspecified
Register entry number 747
Marriage date 15 Nov 1812
Richard LANGFORD Bachelor
Phebe WHITEHOUSE Spinster
Witness1 Jos. BAKER
Witness2 Mark BOND
Notes By Banns - Bride And Groom Sign X


RICHARD & PHEBE BAPTISMS
Tipton
St Martin
Parish Register
Register entry number 2034
Baptism date 31 May 1818
Person forename Elizabeth
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Phebe
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Factory
Father occupation Miner

Tipton
St Martin
Parish Register
Register entry number 724
Baptism date 01 Jan 1821
Person forename Samuel
Person sex M
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Phebe
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Huss Lane
Father occupation Miner

Tipton
St Martin
Parish Register
Register entry number 2027
Baptism date 27 Jul 1823
Person forename Job
Person sex M
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Phebe
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Huss Lane
Father occupation Miner

Tipton
St Martin
Parish Register
Register entry number 806
Baptism date 21 Aug 1825
Person forename Joseph
Person sex M
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Phebe
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Huss Lane
Father occupation Miner

Tipton
St Martin
Parish Register
Register entry number 3672
Baptism date 28 Feb 1830
Person forename William
Person sex M
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Pheobe
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Factory
Father occupation Miner


Death for Phebe
Tipton
St Martin
Parish Register
Register entry number 1130
Burial date 04 Oct 1840
Burial person forename Phebe
Burial person surname LANGFORD
Person age 54
Burial person abode Factory

Thank you for linking the children kdw.

A complicated family!

Must be two different Richard Langford...

1841. Canal Side, Tipton
Richard Langford, 60
Job, 18,
Joseph, 16,
William, 11,
Sarah, 21, (Could this be Sarah? Age out.)
All born in County

And

1841 Rounds Green Halesowen
Richard Langford Male 55 1786 - Brick Lab N
Lucy Langford Female 40 1801 - N
Nancy Langford Female 25 1816 - N
Joseph Langford Male 20 1821 Brick Lab Y
Mary Langford Female 20 1821 - N
Ruth Langford Female 15 1826 - N
William Langford Male 7 1834 Shropshire, England Y
Thomas Langford Male 0 1841 Shropshire, England Y

Have added Richard and Lucy here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =752686927

Richard and Phoebe here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =901565848

Not added Nancy as have found this, yet another Richard!!!!



Tipton
St Martin
Other Transcript
Baptism date 26 Jan 1806
Person forename Harriott
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Elizabeth
Father surname LANKFORD
Notes about 15 years old (1791)
Is this the Harriot a witness to the marriage of Richard and Lucy ?

Tipton
St Martin
Other Transcript
Baptism date 01 Nov 1807
Person forename Ann
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Elizabeth
Father surname LANKFORD
Notes 9y11m old (1797)

Tipton
St Martin
Other Transcript
Baptism date 08 Nov 1807
Person forename Sarah
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Elizabeth
Father surname LANKFORD
Notes about 21 years old (1786)

Tipton
St Martin
Parish Register
Register entry number 723
Baptism date 22 Jan 1815
Person forename Nancy
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Elizabeth
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Bloomfield
Father occupation Labourer

I'm lost where we are on this kdw
Are we looking for anything or more adding?

I don't know who to connect Nancy to, Richard is listed as her father on census records.

If this is Nancys baptism its the wrong mother
Tipton
St Martin
Parish Register
Register entry number 723
Baptism date 22 Jan 1815
Person forename Nancy
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Elizabeth
Father surname LANGFORD
Person abode Bloomfield
Father occupation Labourer


Richard married Lucy in 1810

I'm going in circles looking at Langfords

Me too kdw! Been trying to make sense of it all for the last hour

am I going off the beaten track here or stating the obvious?

1851. Chapel Lane, West Bromwich
Richard Langford, Head, W, 70, Brickmaker (Pauper) , Wales
Ann, daur, 33, U, Brickmaker, Tipton Is this Nancy?
Joseph, son, 30, Brickmaker, Oldbury
William, son, 17, Brickmaker, Halesowen
Thomas, Grand son, 10, Oldbury
William Bishop, Lodger, 45, Labourer, Stafford B?
Mary Ann Taylor, servant, 16, Gen serv, Dudley

I think Ann is Nancy.

Could it be that Richard was married twice, first to Elizabeth then Lucy, even though he says Bachelor on marriage to Lucy.

Is Nancy the daughter of Richard and Lucy not Elizabeth?

I think Ann is Nancy, it's a common nickname.

I haven't been able to see a death for Elizabeth...

Just a thought.......

1861. Inkerman Street, Oldbury.
Nancy Langford, head, W, 42, Brickmaker, Tipton
Richard Langford, Father, W, 73, Brickmaker, Wales
Thomas Langford, son, 20, Brickmaker, Oldbury
Mary Ann Holloway, Lodger, 23, Brick maker, Oldbury

Is this Mary Ann born 1838 with mother Harriet Holloway on BCC - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=594268

Any connection to Harriet's mother Elizabeth here - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=594268