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Looking for John Thomas Payne b 1890 who marries Doris Hudson
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:41 am
by Northern Lass
1901 18 Swan Street, Dudley, Worcs.
William Payne Head M 38 Miner
Elizabeth Payne Wife M 40 Born Tipton
Sarah E Payne Daur S 17 File Glazer
Mary Payne Daur S 15
William Payne Son Miner 14
Lily Payne Daur 12
John Payne Son 10
Thomas Payne Son 7
All others born Dudley
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =599654652I think he might be father to this John Thomas Payne
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... onnections
Re: Can anyone find this lot on 1911 pls
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:21 am
by Jimmy
1911. 38 Hawes Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Payne 59. clay worker labourer.
Elizabeth Payne 56. married 37 years. 5 children born.
John Thomas Payne 21. son. clay worker.
Lily Payne 20. Dau in law.
Geoffrey Henry Payne 1. grand dau.
All born Rowley Regis.
PAYNE, GEOFFREY HENRY WHILE.
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 3.
Re: Can anyone find this lot on 1911 pls
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:31 am
by mumbles
Dau Sarah Elizabeth married John Thomas Oakley 1904 Dudley
John Thomas Oakley is on bcc
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... onnections
Re: Can anyone find this lot on 1911 pls
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:21 pm
by mumbles
Marriage St. Luke Dudley Worcs. 3/1/1904
John Oakley bach 32 Iron Worker 9 Waterloo Street father Thomas Oakley Iron Worker
Sarah Elizabeth Payne sp.22 18 Swan Street father William Payne Miner
Witnesses :- George & Phoebe Smith
Re: Can anyone find this lot on 1911 pls
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:24 pm
by mumbles
Sarah Elizabeth Payne was born 295/1884 and was a widow in 1939
Re: Can anyone find this lot on 1911 pls
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:36 pm
by Northern Lass
Jimmy wrote:1911. 38 Hawes Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Payne 59. clay worker labourer.
Elizabeth Payne 56. married 37 years. 5 children born.
John Thomas Payne 21. son. clay worker.
Lily Payne 20. Dau in law.
Geoffrey Henry Payne 1. grand dau.
All born Rowley Regis.
PAYNE, GEOFFREY HENRY WHILE.
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 3.
That one is the father to this one so not the one I am after.
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... i=96376105
Re: Can anyone find this lot on 1911 pls
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:40 pm
by Northern Lass
So still looking for this lot in 1911 pls
1901 18 Swan Street, Dudley, Worcs.
William Payne Head M 38 Miner
Elizabeth Payne Wife M 40 Born Tipton
Sarah E Payne Daur S 17 File Glazer
Mary Payne Daur S 15
William Payne Son Miner 14
Lily Payne Daur 12
John Payne Son 10
Thomas Payne Son 7
All others born Dudley
Re: Can anyone find this lot on 1911 pls
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:43 pm
by Jimmy
Northern Lass wrote:Jimmy wrote:1911. 38 Hawes Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Payne 59. clay worker labourer.
Elizabeth Payne 56. married 37 years. 5 children born.
John Thomas Payne 21. son. clay worker.
Lily Payne 20. Dau in law.
Geoffrey Henry Payne 1. grand dau.
All born Rowley Regis.
PAYNE, GEOFFREY HENRY WHILE.
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 3.
That one is the father to this one so not the one I am after.
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... i=96376105
This is the only one that there ìs.
Re: Can anyone find this lot on 1911 pls
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:49 pm
by Northern Lass
Then I am stuck on this
John Thomas Payne that marries Lily While is born 1890 and has mother surname Hollies
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =185747526John Thomas Payne who marries Doris E Hudson is born 1890
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... onnectionscan't find his birth
I think he connects here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =4367207901901 18 Swan Street, Dudley, Worcs.
William Payne Head M 38 Miner
Elizabeth Payne Wife M 40 Born Tipton
Sarah E Payne Daur S 17 File Glazer
Mary Payne Daur S 15
William Payne Son Miner 14
Lily Payne Daur 12
John Payne Son 10Thomas Payne Son 7
All others born Dudley
any ideas?
Re: Can anyone find this lot on 1911 pls
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:27 pm
by kdwoodie
Elizabeth remarried
1911 4 North View Terrace Aberaman Aberdare
David Minns Head 53 Married Boiler Smith Born Blantyre Scotland
Elizabeth Minns Wife 49 Married Born Dudley
Thomas Payne Step son 17 Single Coal Hewer Born Dudley
Married 3 Years
Name: Elizabeth Payne
[Elizabeth Ford]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 47
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 1861
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1908
Marriage Place: Aberaman, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father:
Jonathan Richard Ford
Spouse:
David Minns Father: David Minns
Page number: 18
Re: Looking for John Thomas Payne b 1890 who marries Doris H
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:28 am
by Northern Lass
I have split this topic.
I will look up the marriage but if anyone can find William Payne the father in 1911
it is the John Thomas Payne who marries Doris E Hudson
Not Doris E Harper.
Re: Looking for John Thomas Payne b 1890 who marries Doris H
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:38 am
by kdwoodie
William must have died because Elizabeth his 2nd wife remarried
1911 4 North View Terrace Aberaman Aberdare
David Minns Head 53 Married Boiler Smith Born Blantyre Scotland
Elizabeth Minns Wife 49 Married Born Dudley
Thomas Payne Step son 17 Single Coal Hewer Born Dudley
Married 3 Years
Name: Elizabeth Payne
[Elizabeth Ford]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 47
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 1861
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1908
Marriage Place: Aberaman, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father:
Jonathan Richard Ford
Spouse:
David Minns Father: David Minns
Page number: 18
Re: Looking for John Thomas Payne b 1890 who marries Doris H
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:45 am
by Northern Lass
ok so....
do you think that the John Thomas who marries Doris Hudson is the one with mother Elizabeth Stibbs and step mother Elizabeth ford
ahead of marriage do you think we should connect?
Re: Looking for John Thomas Payne b 1890 who marries Doris H
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:49 am
by kdwoodie
I think so.
Possible death for William
Deaths Sep 1902
Payne William 38 Stourbridge 6c 69
Re: Looking for John Thomas Payne b 1890 who marries Doris H
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:51 pm
by kdwoodie
Have added 2nd marrige for Elizabeth Ford
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =737303856Haven't connected John