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At a bit of a loss here, wondering if you guys can help

My gggrandma Caroline Barns/Barnes,- father Elisha/Elijah/Eliska Barnes(all these names are the same just spelt different) born abt 1826 Staffordshire,(cival parish sedgley) seams to have gaps in his where abouts and i was wondering if anyone could fill those gaps.

I have him on the 1841 Census
William Barnes Head 45 Labourer
Mary Wife 40
John Barnes son 20
Elisha son 15
Martha Dau 14
William Son 10
Susanah Dau 6
David Son 4
Mary Dau 1
Living at Princes End, Sedgley, Wolverhampton

1851 Census William Barnes head 60 widower Miner
William Barnes son 19 Miner
Susanah Dau 16 labour
Mary Dau 10
living at something(can't make it out) Lane, Sedgley

I know he married Hannah Beech(Nee) Butcher 26 Dec 1853 at Tipton, St Martis (pepper pot)

1861 Census

Eliska Bathes 43 Head abt 1818 Miner
Hannah bathes 44 Wife abt1817
Thos Glase 12 son abt 1849
Job Glase 8 Son abt 1853
Caroline Barnes 6 Dau 1855
Thos Butcher 33 Lodger abt 1828 hunston Loyd Shropshire

cant find them on the 1871 census 1881,1891,1901

Caroline was married in 1877 at st james Dudley,Staffordshire

any help would be great thanks

Di

1881: 168A Grt Bridge St, West Bromwich, Staffs
Elisha Barnes 64 Head Coal Miner Princes End, Staffs
Hannah Barnes 67 Wife Tipton, Staffs

Is this them?

1871 living in looks like Dukirk Forge, West Bromwich,

Elishah Barns,58,miner
Hannah Barns, 58,
Caroline Barns,14,
John Barns,17,miner

It looks as though they have written born in Lepton except Caroline born in West Bromwich

The fact that John is placed after Caroline although he is older sort of fits with the fact that in 1861 he ahs a different name.

Was Hannah a widow with previous sons?

Maths girl

..at last!

1871: Dunkirk Forge, West Bromwich, Staffs
Elishah Barns 58 Head Miner Tipton
Hannah Barns 58 Wife Tipton
Caroline Barns 14 Dau West Bromwich
John Barns 17 Son Miner West Bromwich

Whoops sorry MG, didn't mean to tread on your toes

Could he have died as Elijah Barnes in Cheadle in 1889? although the estimated birth age is 1823

A Hannah Barnes died in 1883 in West Bromwich born abt 1818

Any help?

You guys are fantastic

I had just found them on the 1881 census, could not find them on the 1871 tho, as far as i've got with them is that Hannah Butcher married a William Beach in 1840 and was widowed in 1841 with no children.
Then she marries my ggggrandad Elijah in 1853, but by then she has Job Glase B: 1849 and Thos Glase B:1851 according to the census, now i have not been able so far to find another marriage (if there is one she deffinatley works fast racking the husbands up ) my gggrandma Caroline B: 1855 and her brother John B:1858.

Altho on the census it definatley say's Glase as surnames for Job and Thos and that they are the sons another misertry to solve if i can.

Big thanks and hugs

Di

I'll try again it lost this the last time I tried

1851
Thomas Glaze,Head,38,Coal Miner, Bilston
HAnnah Glaze,Wife,38,Tipton
Mary Anne Glaze,Daug, 16,Tipton
Thomas Glaze, Son, 2,West Bromwich

My guess is that Mary Anne is his daughter by a previous marriage.

Now I really should go to bed and try to sleep!

Hannah Glaze m Elijah Barnes 1859 Tipton, St Martin ref 39/9/142 from bmsgh.org

Perhaps Elisha marrie two Hannahs?
Had Caroline with the first wife and then married Hannah Glaze who already had kids? The marriage entry should confirm it.

1851
Tipton
Thomas Hartland m 29 lab in ironworks Salop
Susannah ditto wife 27 Tipton
Joseph ditto son 6
Robert Wood lodger 25 Blythe Bridge
Elisha Barnes lodger um 27 coal miner Tipton

Collecting together

1851
Thomas Glaze,Head,38,Coal Miner, Bilston
HAnnah Glaze,Wife,38,Tipton
Mary Anne Glaze,Daug, 16,Tipton
Thomas Glaze, Son, 2,West Bromwich

My guess is that Mary Anne is his daughter by a previous marriage.


Hannah Glaze m Elijah Barnes 1859 Tipton, St Martin ref 39/9/142 from bmsgh.org


1861 Census

Eliska Bathes 43 Head abt 1818 Miner
Hannah bathes 44 Wife abt1817
Thos Glase 12 son abt 1849
Job Glase 8 Son abt 1853
Caroline Barnes 6 Dau 1855
Thos Butcher 33 Lodger abt 1828 hunston Loyd Shropshire

Perhaps Elisha marrie two Hannahs?
Had Caroline with the first wife and then married Hannah Glaze who already had kids? The marriage entry should confirm it.

So looking for?
Marriage Thomas Glaze with Hannah?? between 1835 and 1848depending on if Mary Anne belongs to both of them
Baptisms of MAry Anne Glaze 1835 ish,Thomas Glaze 1849,Job/John Glaze 1853,CAroline BArnes1855 would help

Just found

Thomas Glaze married Hannah Whitehouse 1838 Tipton St MArtin (Sandwell 39/1/178)

Any help?

Elijah Barnes married Hannah Beach Tipton St Martin ( Sandwell 39/7/200)

At least he didn't get the name of the second wife mixed with the first!!

I have the marriage cert for Elijah Barnes and Hannah Beach (nee Butcher) in 1853 he is age 30 and a Bacholar, and she is 32 and a widow, so guessing as i cant find a marriage for Hannah Beach/Butcher and a Thomas Glase, maybe they had children out of wedlock and he died, so Elijah took them on?

If she did marry a Glase before Elijah would'nt it say on the marriage cert like Hannah Beach/Glase nee Butcher?

Just thinking out lound, maybe i need to send for a cert for one of the Glase childre and see what it says.

Also on Caroline's Birth cert it say's mother Hannah Barnes late Beach formerly Butcher, again no mention of a Glase

If you need anything looked up Di just add to the look up list
in format etc etc

Ok I think we have two Hannah's both married to Elijah Barnes at some time but both married previously!

Hannah 1
1840 BUTCHER Hannah BEACH William Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/003/344
1853 BEACH Hannah BARNES Elijah Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/7/200

Hannah 2
1838 GLAZE Thomas WHITEHOUSE Hannah Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/1/178
1859 BARNES Elijah GLAZE Hannah Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/9/142

How does that look?