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COMPLETED - Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:28 am
by mallosa
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Joseph Round
Death Date: 15 Aug 1879
Death Place: Worcester, Worcestershire
Probate Date: 26 Sep 1879
Probate Registry: Worcester
....late of Malt Mill Lane, Halesowen, Worc Nailmaker a Widower granted to Lucretia Taylor (wife of Nathan Taylor) of Malt Mill Lane the Daughter & one of the Next of Kin. Personal Estate under £20.

Here on BCC - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=526018

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:57 am
by mallosa
England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Joseph Round
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Registration Year: 1879
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 66
Registration District: Stourbridge
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 63

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:25 am
by mallosa
Is there a marriage for Joseph & Mary?

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:19 pm
by Jimmy
ROUND, MARY ANN HAMMONDS.
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 290

Kingswinford St Mary.
Marriage date 14 Mar 1831.
Joseph ROUND. Kingswinford.
Mary HAMMOND. Kingswinford.
Witness 1 Sarah HARRIS.
Witness 2 John PALMER.
Notes Bride and both witnesses sign by mark.

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:25 pm
by Frodo
When I have been researching on Ancestry they brought up a Mary Pickrell( or Pickerel) born 1st March 1813, died
as spouse for Joseph Round with a marriage date of 7th October 1833 but I have no information in my own family history to support this. Family Search also shows Mary Pickerel as spouse.
The one thing I do have is the burial certificate for Joseph which shows he was buried on the 19th August. As the eldest Lucretia must have kept it and then Nathan kept hold of it after Lucretia died.
From the census records the correct Mary was born in Shropshire possibly in Hopton and was 30 in the 1841 census.

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:31 pm
by Frodo
As an addenda there are two Joseph and Mary Rounds both roughly the same age. At one point Ancestry found an 1841 Census where the children's names were wrong.

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:39 am
by Jimmy
Joseph who married Mary Pickerell.

Dudley St Thomas.
Marriage date 07 Oct 1833.
Joseph ROUND. Dudley. bachelor.
Mary PICKRELL. Dudley.
Bride condition spinster
Witness 1 Thomas ALLEN.
Witness 2 Thomas ROUND.

ROUND, JOSEPH PICKERELL.
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 289.

ROUND, ELIZABETH PICKERILL.
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 497.

ROUND, WILLIAM PICKERHILL.
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 471.

1841. Primrose Hill, Dudley.
Joseph Round 40. Coal miner.
Mary Round 25.
George Round 5.
Susannah Round 2.
Joseph Round 2 Mo.

1851. High Street, Cradley.
Mary Round 39. Widow. Oldbury.
George Round 15. Oldbury.
Susannah Round 12. Oldbury.
Joseph Round 10. Netherton.
Elizabeth Round 4. Cradley.
William Round 3. Cradley.

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:41 am
by Jimmy
Jimmy wrote:ROUND, MARY ANN HAMMONDS.
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 290

Kingswinford St Mary.
Marriage date 14 Mar 1831.
Joseph ROUND. Kingswinford.
Mary HAMMOND. Kingswinford.
Witness 1 Sarah HARRIS.
Witness 2 John PALMER.
Notes Bride and both witnesses sign by mark.


Mary Hammond already on BCC,

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=526127

ROUND, SARAH HAMMOND.
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 307.

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:48 am
by Jimmy

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:44 am
by Frodo
The census returns showing in Jimmy's reply are incorrect. They need to have Lucretia as the eldest with Martha and Hannah in 1841, plus Mary Ann in 1851living New Ross until 1861 then Shepherds Fold 1861. Shepherds Fold is the address Nathan and Lucretia were writing to when they were in America.
On Connections Susannah Pickerel has no maiden name, found on Ancestry as Smith, married Sampson 26th December 1808 at Birmingham St Philip.

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:55 am
by Frodo
The address on the death records is not relevant in Census searching etc, Malt Mill Lane was Nathan and Lucretia's address. Presumably he went to stay with them at some point before he died.

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:27 am
by Jimmy
Lucretia and Martha's father was a Nailer. not coal miner.

Those census's are for Joseph who married Mary Pickerell.

Brierley Hill Round Oak Primitive Methodist.
Birth date 13 Dec 1835.
Baptism date 24 Jan 1836.
George ROUND.
Father Joseph ROUND. Miner. Oldbury.
Mother Mary
Notes Born OLdbury - mother formerly PICKERELL.

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:34 am
by Jimmy
Joseph Round and Mary Hammond.

Dudley St Thomas.
Baptism date 10 May 1835.
Martha ROUND.
Father Joseph ROUND. Nailer. Netherton.
Mother Mary.

Dudley St Thomas.
Baptism date 25 Jun 1837.
Lucretia ROUND.
Father Joseph ROUND. Nailer. Blackheath.
Mother Mary.

1841, Sheperds Fold, Rowley Regis.
Joseph Round 27. Nailer.
Mary Round 30.
Lucretia Round 9.
Martha Round 6.
Hannah Round 4.

1851, New Ross, Rowley Regis.
Joseph Round 38. Nailer. Rowley.
Mary Round 41. Hopton, Shropshire.
Lucretia Round 19. Dudley.
Martha Round 16. Dudley.
Hannah Round 14. Rowley.
Mary Ann Round 7. Rowley.

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:48 am
by Jimmy
Dudley St Thomas.
Baptism date 05 Mar 1837.
Hannah ROUND.
Father Joseph ROUND. Nailer. Black Heath.
Mother Mary.
Father surname ROUND

Rowley Regis St Giles.
Baptism date 16 Sep 1844.
Mary Ann ROUND.
Father Joseph ROUND. Nailer. Shepherds Fold.
Mother Mary.

Re: Gravestone of Joseph Round of Shepherds Fold & wife Mary

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:34 pm
by Frodo
Joseph and family definitely nailers. I have Nathan's autobiography and he mentions Lucretia's family were involved in a nailer's strike around 1851, possibly the 1852 strike?
If Mary Hammond is correct then presumably Sarah was never mentioned by the family because she did not live long.