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found a DOD for Bertie James Artess
Rank: Gnr
Record Type: Card
Death Date: 14 Aug 1923
Service Number: 31793
Corps, Regiment or Unit: Royal Field Artillery
Title: WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description: Other Ranks Died Arnett A-Arthington EH
Reference Number: 6/W/2388
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
Bert James Artess
Beatrice Alice Artess

Name Beatrice Alice Artess
Gender Female
Birth Date3 Jun 1890
Relation to Soldier Widow
Title WWI Pension Record Cards and LedgersDescriptionPRC Ledgers


no luck on FreeReg for marriages as yet
1914 Bertie James Artess Annie Austin St Martins (Sandwell 39/20/142)
1915 Bertie James Artess Beatrice Turner St Martins (Sandwell 39/20/300)

Died,

ARTESS, ANNIE age 22.
GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06B Page 959.

So the two brothers married on the same day.....

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Bertie J Artess
Spouse Surname: Austin
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 1805

Bertie J Artess
Salathiel Artess
Annie Austin
Alice M Jewkes

so unfortunately Annie died not long after they married and Bertie remarried Beatrice Alice Turner in 1915...is this right?

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Bertie J Artess
Spouse Surname: Turner
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 2401

Samuel Andrews
Bertie J Artess
Beatrice M Massey
Beatrice A Turner

UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
Bert James Artiss
Rank: Gnr
Record Type: Disability
Residence Place: Kates Hill Dudley
Military Service Region: West Midlands, Midlands
Military Country: England
Discharge Date: 9 Jan 1919
Service Number: 31793
Corps, Regiment or Unit: Royal Fusiliers
Service Branch: Military (Army)
Title: WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description: Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number: 6/MA/No.3178

added all above here - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =303166718

Surely this must be their children?

Births Mar 1920
Artess Florence M Turner Dudley 6b 2204

Births Mar 1922
Artess Elsie M Turner Dudley 6b 1971

mallosa wrote:So the two brothers married on the same day.....

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Bertie J Artess
Spouse Surname: Austin
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 1805

Bertie J Artess
Salathiel Artess
Annie Austin
Alice M Jewkes

so unfortunately Annie died not long after they married and Bertie remarried Beatrice Alice Turner in 1915...is this right?

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Bertie J Artess
Spouse Surname: Turner
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 2401

Samuel Andrews
Bertie J Artess
Beatrice M Massey
Beatrice A Turner

Yeah thats right, I'd never noticed that before, well spotted Sandra.
Sad isnt it that Bertie & Annie weren't married long in 1914 and yes he remarried in 1915

mallosa wrote:added all above here - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =303166718

Surely this must be their children?

Births Mar 1920
Artess Florence M Turner Dudley 6b 2204

Births Mar 1922
Artess Elsie M Turner Dudley 6b 1971

just checked the GRO
ARTESS, ELSIE MAY TURNER
GRO Reference: 1922 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06B Page 1971
ARTESS, FLORENCE MARY TURNER
GRO Reference: 1920 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06B Page 2204

Annie Austin Born Stourbridge
Name Annie Austin
Registration Year 1892
Registration QuarterJan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Stourbridge
Inferred County Worcestershire
Volume 6cPage182


Beatrice Born Wolverhampton
Name Beatrice Alice Turner
Birth 6 Apr 1890 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Baptism 1 May 1890 St. Andrews, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England New
Father William Turner New
Mother Sarah Ellen

mallosa wrote:added all above here - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =303166718

Surely this must be their children?

Births Mar 1920
Artess Florence M Turner Dudley 6b 2204

Births Mar 1922
Artess Elsie M Turner Dudley 6b 1971

Possible for Beatrice remarrying, but birth age is out.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1926
ARTESS Beatrice A. SALTER George. 1926. Dudley Register Office. Dudley Register Office. DRO/057/35.

1939. 52. Quarry Road, Birmingham.
George Salter 43. 8 Apr 1896. Aircraft fitter.
Beatrice Salter 47. 4 Jun 1892.
This record is officially closed.
Florence Artuso 20. Artess on image.
This record is officially closed.
Marie Sallie 13. 5 Dec 1919. Salter on image.
Amy Salter 12. 20 Nov 1927.

Births Sep 1926.
Salter Marie. Turner. Dudley. 6b. 1625.

Births Mar 1928.
Salter Amy G. Turner. Birmingham N. 6d. 462.

all added here - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =681260665

and completed with thanks

Completed thanks Jimmy & Sandra