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1891. Upper Park Street, Worcester.
George Wagg, head, 34, Signal fitter
Mary A, wife, 34,
George, son, 10,
Albert J, son, 6,
Florence G, daur, 1
All born Kingswinford

1901. 136, Dudley Street, Brierley Hill
George Wagg, head, 41, Fitter Iron & Steel, Common Side
Elizabeth, wife, 31, Brierley Hill
Albert James, son, 16, Engine driver, Brielry Hill
Florence Gertrude, daur, 12, Brierley Hill
James Amies, boarder, 28, Labourer, Wales
Elizabeth Grove, boarder, 28, Cradley Heath
Rachel Grove, 1m, boarder, Brierley Hill
Felix Coley, boarder, 51, Metal dealer

1911. 151 Dudley Street, Brierley Hill
George Wagg, head, 54, Fitter in Steel, Bromley Kingswinford
Mary Elizabeth, wife, 41, Franche Kidderminster
Albert James, son, 26, Electrician, Mount Pleasant, King Swinford
Florence Gertrude, daur, 22, House duties, Worcester

1920 Census: Bellevue Ave, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan USA
Albert Wagg, Head, 39, Married, bn England, Electrician Automobile Shop
Minnie Wagg, Wife, 48, M, England
Freda , Daughter, 14, S, England
Charles, 12, S, England
Jesse Barker, 27, step son, M, bn England, Married, Labourer Automobile Shop
Mary Barker, 27, wife, M, bn Canada
(All immigration year 1911 except Mary 1919)

Marriage
18th October 1915. Essex, Ontario.
Albert Wag, 32, England, B, Electrician, Protestant, George Wag, Mary Ann Davis
Minnie Walters, 42, England, W, Church of England, Benjamin Stout, Mary Ann Davis
Witnesses, M A Dickinson, M M Cheyne

There is this though?
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1907
WAGG Albert J HALL Beatrice G Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/024/54

We can't look that up so needs a marriage cert! Seems a bit odd? And did his sister Florence Gertrude Wagg marry (Amos) Jesse Barker?

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1911
WAGG Florence G BARKER Jesse Brierley Hill, St Michael Dudley Register Office 210/007/391

Hi, thanks for adding more on this.

Yes Florence G Wagg married Jesse Barker (bn 1891)
1911 Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 235

Their children were called Jesse (born UK) and Albert (born USA) and Sorry Earlier I forgot to add these youngest 2 children on the bottom of the 1920 United Sates Federal Census:
Living at Bellevue Ave, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan USA
Albert Wagg, Head, 39, Married, bn England, Electrician Automobile Shop
Minnie Wagg, Wife, 48, M, England
Freda , Daughter, 14, S, England
Charles, 12, S, England
Jesse Barker, 27, step son, M, bn England, Married, Labourer Automobile Shop
Mary Barker, 27, wife, M, bn Canada
All immigration year 1911 except Mary 1919
Jesse jr, Son, 8, bn England
Albert, Son, 6, bn Michingan

Jesse jn was only months old when they came over on the ship, I’ll copy that from a previous thread.

They sailed on SS Laconia from Liverpool 16 April 1912 on their way to Mich Detroit:
Walters Lavina, 40, father Benjamin Stout, Parker steet, Brierley Hill
Walters Frieda, 7
Walters Charles, 4
Barker Florence G, 21, father George Wagg Dudley road, Brierley Hill
Barker Jesse, 2 months infant
All were resident at Brierley Hill

I’ll take a look at Albert Wagg, either tonight or tomorrow night.

Florence G died 1916 in Michigan and by the 1920 census Jesse had married a Mary Groluan born in Canada
Name: Florence Gertrude Barker
[Florence Gertrude Wagg]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Marital status: Married
Death Age: 27
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1889
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 15 Oct 1916
Death Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
Father: George Wagg
Mother: Mary Davis

I’m also finding that Albert James Wagg married a Beatrice Gertrude Hall. In 1911 they were listed on separate census with their parents and both listed as married.

Here’s Beatrice with her parents in 1911
Name: Beatrice Gurtrude Wagg
[Beatrice Gurtrude Hall]
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stourbridge, Worcestershire
Civil Parish: Stourbridge
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County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address: 41 West Street, Stourbridge
Marital status: Married
Registration district: Stourbridge
Registration District Number: 373
Sub-registration district: Stourbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 316
Piece: 17483
Household Members:
Name Age
George Harry Hall 51
Jane Hall 47
Jennie Hall 17
George Harry Hall 14
Sydney Joseph Hall 10
Beatrice Gurtrude Wagg 22
George Albert Reginald Wagg 3
Jessie Wagg 2
Harrold Goodyear Hall 26
Alice Laura Hall 25

Beatrice still was alive in 1939, living with Halls and a Jessie Wagg, female.

I haven’t seen a divorce between Beatrice and Albert, but I have seen one much later in 1935 between Minnie Lavinia and Albert. Then he married again, to a Eunice.

What complicated lives they led!
I tried explaining it to my husband, and when I got to the bit about Albert marrying the mother of his sister’s husband he said “You’re just making it up now!”

Or to it put it another way Albert’s sister married the son of Albert’s wife.

BTW I think Jesse Barker born 1891 would be easier to find if he was in BCC as Jesse Barker rather than Amos Jesse Barker. I know GRO have him as Amos Jesse, but on everything else he is just Jesse, and he would be less like to be confused with his brother Amos if he in as Jesse Barker.

Jayneh wrote:BTW I think Jesse Barker born 1891 would be easier to find if he was in BCC as Jesse Barker rather than Amos Jesse Barker. I know GRO have him as Amos Jesse, but on everything else he is just Jesse, and he would be less like to be confused with his brother Amos if he in as Jesse Barker.

We normally go with what the Gro have him (that is what I used to do) but a note could be added to bcc known as such and such.
up to Jo ....so jo if you looking in.

I did put a note on BCC as using the name Jesse.

Ok, no problem.

I have noticed one thing that does need altering though, Albert Wagg’s sister is missing her surname on BCC - she is down as Florence Gertrude and should be Florence Gertrude Wagg.

Couple of marriages for BCC info

St Mary Kingswinford
26 Jun 1882
George WAGG 25 B Soldier Kingswinford Father James Wagg Furnace Man
Mary Ann DAVIS 25 S Kingswinford Father William Davis Glass Maker
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; S Hauley X/ Mary Jane Wagg

St Michael Brierley Hill
17 Apr 1911
Jesse BARKER 19 B Labourer 37,John Street Brierley Hill Father Amos Barker (Dec) Miller
Florence Gertrude WAGG 20 S 151,Dudley Street Brierley Hill Father George Wagg Fitter
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; George Wagg / Lavinia Walters

Jayneh wrote:Ok, no problem.

I have noticed one thing that does need altering though, Albert Wagg’s sister is missing her surname on BCC - she is down as Florence Gertrude and should be Florence Gertrude Wagg.

Yes that was my fault

I've corrected it now

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =940632503

Just trying to give Jo a helping hand

rockyfowler wrote:Couple of marriages for BCC info

St Mary Kingswinford
26 Jun 1882
George WAGG 25 B Soldier Kingswinford Father James Wagg Furnace Man
Mary Ann DAVIS 25 S Kingswinford Father William Davis Glass Maker
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; S Hauley X/ Mary Jane Wagg

St Michael Brierley Hill
17 Apr 1911
Jesse BARKER 19 B Labourer 37,John Street Brierley Hill Father Amos Barker (Dec) Miller
Florence Gertrude WAGG 20 S 151,Dudley Street Brierley Hill Father George Wagg Fitter
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; George Wagg / Lavinia Walters

Cheers Rocky, added those -

George Wagg/Mary A Davis - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =917002325

Florence G Wagg/Jesse Barker - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =157949363

1891. Upper Park Street, Worcester.
George Wagg, head, 34, Signal fitter
Mary A, wife, 34,
George, son, 10,
Albert J, son, 6,
Florence G, daur, 1
All born Kingswinford

This is the only death I can find but her age is way out...

Death Mar 1898
Wagg Mary Ann 34?? King's N. 6c 271

it must be an error surely cos this marriage fits....

Marriage 1899
WAGG George LLOYD Mary E Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/042/125