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Maggie has this John Chirms as born 1837 but from Census records is born 1846/1847
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =267310074

This is him and family before marriage

1841 Census Coseley Sedgley Dudley Staffs.
John Churms 25 Miner not born in County
Mary Churms 20
Thomas Churms 5
Betsy Churms 3
Mary Churms 1
Rest born in County

1851 Census 66 Mount Pleasant Coseley Sedgley Dudley Staffs.
John Churms Head 38 Miner born Wellington Salops
Mary Churms wife 30
Thomas Churms son 15
Elizabeth Churms dau 13
Mary A. Churms dau 10
John Churms son 5
Harriett Churms dau 3
Ann M. Churms dau 1
Rest born Sedgley Staffs.

1861 Census 66 Mount Pleasant Coseley Sedgley Dudley Staffs.
John Churms Head 48 Coal Miner born Salops
Mary Churms wife 40
Thomas Churms son 25 Coal Miner
John Churms son 15 Coal Miner
Harriett Churms dau 14
Ann M. Churms dau 9
Emma Churms dau 7
Martha A. Churms dau 5
Sarah A. Churms dau 1 born West Bromwich Staffs.
Rest born Coseley Staffs.

Cannot find marriage of John Chirms/Churms
born 1846 to a mary but children were registered as mother Cox

?? Hmmm...
I would think to change the date as of census for now.
Then look of possibles before marriage, is that the only one viable? Needs a bit more checking.
Jo

I have corrected date
I have checked all John Churms. Chirms, Churm etc and only one born in right location and date is John Churms/Chirms born 1846 Sedgley/ Coseley son of John Churms and Mary Bayliss

Freereg marriage

28th April 1874. All Saints, West Bromwich
John Churms, 25, Miner, John Churms, Miner
Mary Cox, 22, Richard Cox, Miner
Witnesses, Henry Wilkins, William Harrold


Do you think they should be changed to Churms?

19th April 1835. St Peter, Wolverhampton
John Churme, OTP, B.
Mary Bayles, T, S,
X of John Churmes, X of Mary Bayless
Witnesses, X of Emma Churmes, John Biddulph

3rd August 1835. St Peter, Wolverhampton.
John Churme, OTP, B,
Susanna Griffiths, OTP, S,
X of John Churmes X of Susanna Griffiths
Witnesses, X of Martha Gearges, John Biddulph

Thanks graingers 14
The name changes to every possible variation of Chirms and Churms and finally latter part of 1800's settles on Chirms . (This is why so hard to track.)
I put on bcc as Chirms as that was what was on site . Possibly should stick to Chirms with note that varies from variations of Chirms and Churms on BMD and Census records

Well, you don't see a Chirm/Churm for ages then 2 come along together.

Anyway, I've been connecting up the Adams girls to Fletcher and Rowe and it turns out their mother is Emma Churms/Chirms here

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... onnections

Emma and John Chirms must be sister and brother, coming from Shropshire I will change Emma to Chirms.

The John Churm who married Susannah Griffiths in 1835 seems to be a different one
cannot find him in 1841 but found Susannah in 1851

1851 Census Cock Heath Wednesbury West Bromwich Staffs.
John George Head 62 Nail Maker born Sedgley Staffs.
Martha George wife 63 born Wednesbury Staffs.
Susannah Churm Lodger 42 (wid) Pauper born Darlaston Staffs.
Mary Griffiths Lodger 67 (wid) Pauper born Birmingham Warks.

Also found Richard Cox and dau Mary Cox and will add later

CHIRM, JOHN BAILISS.
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 304.

is this completed?

can this be arc?

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